"Ipaglaban mo nang puspusan ang pananampalataya. Panghawakan mong mabuti ang buhay na walang hanggan, dahil diyan ka tinawag ng Diyos nang ipahayag mo sa harap ng maraming saksi ang iyong pananalig kay Cristo." I Tim. 6:12

July 31, 2012

Catholicdefender2000, kinawawa sa sariling blog


Nang masilip ko ang blog ni Catholicdefender2000 na kilala sa pagpapalaganap ng kasinungalingan tungkol sa Iglesia ni Cristo, ay medyo natawa ko sa mga nabasa ko, hindi kasi niya madepensahan ang kasinungalingan nya sa pagpopost galing sa MEDIA, na mga hindi INC members na nagsasabing ang founder ng INC ay ang Kapatid na Felix Manalo.

Nasagot na yan dito sa blog ko, wag na tayong masosorpresa kung ang mga di INC members ay kilalanin si Ka Felix Manalo as founder ng INC, dahil ito ay normal lamang ngunit kung ipagpipilitan nila ay yun ang MALI.

Unang una kasi, wala naman kaming doktrinang si Ka Felix ang founder ng INC, pangalawa, ang nakakagulat ay kung ang di INC members ay sasabihin nga namang ang founder ng INC ay ang ating panginoong Jesukristo kasi ito ay magiging against in their faith, ayon na rin sa naging conversation ng INC members (jofoldo456 at anonymus) at ang Catholic Defender na kinawawa sa sariling blog at hindi na muling nagreply pa, si Catholicdefender2000, eto po:

Sunstar lang pala ang nagsabi, kala ko naman galing sa isang authorized INC member o minister. Okay lang naman kahit ilang beses nilang sabihin na taga media na INC founder eh si Ka Felix Manalo, hindi naman kasi sila kaanib.


jofoldo456

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  1. Journalism ethics po, bawal ang MAGREPORT ng MALI.

    Kaya kung susundin, mali ba ang pinagsasabi nila na si FELIX MANALO ang FOUNDER ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO 1914?

    Why not counter charges against leading newspapers for saying FELIX MANALO FOUNDED THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO?

    esep esep!

  2. Normal lang naman kasi Mr. blogger na sabihin ng di kaanib na founder si Ka Felix ng INC. napakaabnormal naman para sa isang di kaanib lalo na kayo, na isang catholic defender, na sabihin nyong ang founder ng INC ay ang ating Panginoong Jesukristo. Kaya para sakin kahit mali ang report nila, normal lang ang ginawa nila lalo na kung silay katoliko o protestante. kasi kung mag aagree sila sa paniniwala ng INC eh di sila din ang lalabas na kahhiya hiya sa relihiyong kinabibilangan nila.

    esep esep.

    jofoldo456

  3. Abnormal kayo dahil gusto niyo pang gawing SINUNGALING ang mga taga-media!!!

    Ang INC ay TATAG ni FELIX MANALO! Totoo iyon kaya walang dudang TOTOO at ACCURATE ang REPORT ng MEDIA!

    esep esep.

  4. Well, kayo lang naman mga taga-labas ng Iglesia ang nagsasabi niyan.. Pero ang mga miembro at aral ng Iglesia, si Felix Manalo ay tagapagtatag ng Iglesia sa Pilipinas at hindi tagapagtatag sa kabuuan kasi ang Panginoong Jesu-Cristo ang tagapagtatag ng Iglesia sa kabuuan. Instrumento lang po si Felix Manalo para matatag ang Iglesia sa Pilipinas.

  5. Pag tinanong mo ang members ng Iglesia kung sino nagtatag ng Iglesia sa kabuuan, si Jesu-Cristo po ang sagot namin.

    Pero pag tinanong mo ang hindi members ng Iglesia, siempre, iba ang sasabihin nila kasi nga di sila miembro.

    Ganun lang po yun.

    Kahiya-hiya naman po kung tanungin kayo tungkol sa nagtayo ng Iglesia, tapos sasang-ayon kayo sa Iglesia, parang kinain ninyo lahat ng sinabi ninyong masama sa Iglesia.

  6. Kapag tinanong mo ang Brainwashed na kaanib, of course sasabihin niyang si Cristo ang nagtatag ng INC.

    INC sa PINAS?

    Hehehe no way.

    Ayon sa KASAYSAYAN si FYM ang nagtatag sa Iglesia ni Kristo sa Pinas noong 1914. Sabi ng Pasugo, tunay nga na sinasabi ng rehistro na si Felix Manalo ang NAGTATAG ng INK.

    PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
    “Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."

    At dahil SI FYM naman talaga ang NAGTATAG nito kaya iyon ang INIUULAT ng mga MAMAMAHAYAG! Dahil iyon ay FACT!

    gets mo?

  7. salamat sa anonymus sa taas, hindi po ako yung anonymus na yan baka magkamali kayo tulad ng ginagawa nyo sa iba.

    opo tama kayo, "INC sa Pinas? hehehe no way."

    napaka normal na sagot para sa isang di kaanib ng INC, kagaya nyo rin ang tagamedia. Kahit kami mga INC, pag sasabihin nyong Ang Iglesia katolika ang tinatag ng ating panginoong hesukristo ganyan din ang sasabihin namin, NO WAY!

    tama din kayo, si Ka felix nga ang nagtatag ng INC sa pilipinas ayon sa REGISTRATION sa SEC, ngunit ang doktrina namin ay si Jesus at hindi si Ka felix ang nagtatag ng INC. Kaya nga binasagan syang GOD'S MESSENGER, sinugo sya, e di sana si kristo na lang ang bumaba sa pilipinas para iparehistro sa SEC ang INC, ano pang tungkulin ni Ka felix kung hindi rin sya ang gagawa ng ga bagay bagay upang ipahayag ang tunay na mga salita ng dyos.

    Okay lang naman na sabihin nyo ng paulit ulit at ng taga media at ng iba pang relihiyon dahil isang itong ordinaryo at napakanormal na kaganapan. Abnormal lang ang na ang isang muslim halimbawa ay sasabihing ang RCC ang tunay na relihiyon, o kaya ng ADD member sasabihin nyang si kristo ang nagtatag ng RCC, o kaya isang INC sasabihin si kristo ang nagtatag ng RCC isa itong kaabnormalan.


    jofoldo456

  8. Hindi po kami ang nagsabing IGLESIA KATOLIKA ay ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO! Kayo po ang NAGPATUNAY niyan!

    PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
    “Ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay iisa lamang, ito ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay INK rin ang mga ito ay hindi tunay kundi huwad lamang!"

    PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
    “Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino? -- Ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sinumang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang-- ay walang karapatang magtayo..."


    PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
    “Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."


    PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46: “Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."

    At ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA ay HINDI MALILIPOL sabi ng PASUGO

    PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 5:
    "Ano ang katangian ng maging Tupa ni Cristo? Sa Juan 10:28 ay ganito ang sabi: 'At sila'y binigyan ko ng walang hanggang buhay, at kailanma'y hindi sila malilipol, at hindi aagawin ng sinuman sa aking kamay'. Isang dakilang kapalaran ang maging Tupa o Tauhan ni Cristo sapagkat sila'y binibigyan niya ng walang hanggang buhay at hindi sila malilipol kailan man."

    Ok na ba?

  9. wala po bang bago? paulit ulit naman kasi ang pagmimisquote nyo ng pasugo eh. Kung ang talagang ang mensahe ng pasugo eh upang sabhing ang RCC ay ang tunay na iglesia ni cristo, eh para saan pa ang ginagawa namin? ano ba to, ipopromote namin ang iglesia katolika at sisiraan ng pasugo ang INC? ganun po ba yon? o pinagputul putol nyo lang talaga ang mga nasa pasugo upang palabasin ang gusto nyong palabasin?

    ang liwa liwanag kasi ng mensahe, kahit naman sinong reader ay INC member ay hindi maliligaw sa mensahe na sinabi. ang sabi, ang iglesia katolika sa PASIMULA, in the beginning, ay ang iglesia ni cristo. wala kaming tutol dyan dahil yan talaga ang doktrina namin. IIsa lang naman talaga ang iglesiang itinayo ni kristo at ito ay ang--Iglesia ni Cristo kung saan ikinakabit nyo rin at ipinantatawag sa iglesia katolika.. kayo na ang nagpapatunay na ang pangalan ng itinatag ni kristo ay walang iba kundi Iglesia ni Cristo, maraming salamat po..

    at totoo rin namang si Ka felix ang nakalagay sa SEC dahil ang balik ni kristo ay sa 2nd coming pa nya.

    john 10:28 ETVI give my sheep eternal life. They will never die, and no one can take them out of my hand.

    ang mga kay kristo ay bibigyan ng walang hanggang buhay at hindi sila mamamatay, ibig sabihin ito ang pangako na bubuhayin ang kay kristo sa araw ng paghuhukom at magkakamit ng kaligtasan. Itong mga kay Kristong ito ay yung myembro ng iglesia nya na nanatili hanggang wakas at sinunod ang tunay nyang mga aral, at hindi aral na gawa ng simbahan o ng tao. Wala naman sigurong konek ang katagang 'hindi malilipol' sa hindi magkakaroon ng pagtalikod sa iglesia.

    alam kong lahat ng readers nyo katoliko man o iglesia ay parehas ng pagkakaintindi sakin. sadyang kayo lang ang mali o nagmali ng interpretasyon sa pasugo.


    jofoldo456


Eto pang isang disyuksyon nila:

SO TAMA LANG PALA ANG BALITANG ITO:

1. BBC News - Pope accused of failing to act on sex abuse case.

2. BBC News - Vatican defends Pope Benedict in German abuse scandal.

3. Vatileaks Scandal Exposes Pope's Frail Leadership - SPIEGEL.

4. Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse.

5. Christian Child Abuse: Pope Benedict XVI Child abuse scandal.

6. Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal in Ireland - Wikipedia.

7. Pope Benedict linked to further church child abuse scandal in 1990s.

8. Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough - TIME.

9. Church Sex Abuse Scandal 'Has Now Reached' The Pope: AP

10. Editorial - The Pope and the Pedophilia Scandal - NYTimes.com

KUNG HINDI PALA NAGKAKAMALI ANG BALITA, IBIG SABIHIN ANG LAHAT NA MABABASA AGAINST SA SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO AY TOTOO.. HEHEHE..

ESEP.. ESEP..

ILAN LANG YAN SA LIBO-LIBONG KASALANAN NG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO SA MGA TAO.

SALAMAT NA LANG AT MAY GOOGLE.

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  1. Opo, tama rin po ang nasa Balita na

    1. AP news, Reuters, AFP: The Pope lead Christians for prayers in Assiss

    2. AP news, Reuters, AFP: The Pope Denounced Sectarian Violence in the name of God

    3. AP news, Reuters, AFP: The Pope laments over sex abuse on children by Catholic priests

    4. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Jews praised the Pope for promoting Peace and Harmony in the world

    5. AP news, Reuters, AFP: The Dalai Lama greeted the Pope for his role in the world

    6. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope John Paul II is world's most beloved religious and political leader

    7AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope John Paul II, SAINT NOW!

    8. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope Benedict XVI Welcome President, Prime Ministers, Kings, Queens, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists at the Vatican

    9: AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope sent his personal message to victims of Earthquake

    10: AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope prays for Victims of Tsunami

    11. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope prays for victims of war in the Middle East

    12. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope begins Lent with message of Hope

    13. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope is the LEADER OF 1.2 Catholics worldwide

    14. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Pope visits Lebanon in September to promote peace

    15. AP news, Reuters, AFP: Palestinians hopeful the Pope visit fosters peace in the Middle East

    16. AP news, Reuters, AFP: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia visits Vatican

    HOW ABOUT EDUARDO MANALO?!!!!!!!!!

    Esep esep!

  2. FELIX MANALO the LAST SUGO of the INC he founded was a RAPIST!

    That's also in the news, di nga lang international kasi local lang naman ang influence in FELIX, ERANO at EDUARDO... para ba silang mga tungaw.

  3. I-GOOGLE mo ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO, anong makikita mo? WALA SILANG OFFICIAL SITE.

    I-GOOGLE mo ang Catholic Church, ang dami dami.. pero of course ANTI-CATHOLIC pinili nia ang BASURA!

  4. Huli na kayo sa balita Mr. blogger, may official site ang INC hindi nyo lang matanggap kasi gusto nyo puro kasinungalingan sinasabi nyo. Dati request kayo ng request ng INC site, ngayong meron na ayaw nyo pa rin tanggapin? syempre may pambara na naman kayo tungkol dyan, eto para sa inyong kaalaman- incmediaservices.org

    at ang pinaka official site ng INC ay soon to be launched antayin nyo na lang. wala kaming paki dahil hindi naman tayo nagpaparamihan ng official website, kahit marami nga kayong website at catholic apologists, tanggapin nyo sa europa, paubos na ang katoliko, at sa pilipinas, alam kong alam nyong marami ang lumilipat ng relihiyon dahil hindi naman talaga nila ginustong maging katoliko kahit nung una pa, magulang nila ang nag decide kaya nung sanggol sila, mga wala pang kamuwang muwang ay binautismuhan sila gusto man nila o hindi.

    salamat sa isang anonymus sa itaas, kaya kung sasabihin pala ng taga media na kay satanas at mula sa pagano ang katoliko, eh paniniwala nyo, kung sabagay, JOURNALISM ETHICS, BAWAL ANG MALI.


    jofoldo456

  5. Weeeee.. saan ang link ng inyong official Website?

    Official website eh http://iglesianicristo.net46.com lang ang web address? Loool.

    Blog lang sa amin ang ganitong website! Sa inyo, OFFICIAL WEBSITE na pala ang tawag niyo rito.

    O itong http://www.incmedia.org ang tawag niyo rito ay OFFICIAL WEBSITE? Anong laman?

    Nasaan ang mga TURO ng INC ni Manalo sa official site niyo?

    Sige, i-COMPARE mo ang official website niyo sa website ng Vatican ha!

    http://www.vatican.va/


    Heto naman ang mga katuruan namin
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

    Heto naman ang BIBLIA na AMIN talaga!
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/bible/index.htm

    Heto naman ang CANON LAW
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/cdc/index.htm

    And lastly, pwede bang mag-quote ka ng kahit sinong kilalang newscaster o News Agency na nagsasabing ang Iglesia Katolika ay founded ng kahit sinong tao? Kapag makakita ka, LILIPAT ako sa IGLESIA ni MANALO AGAD AGAD!

  6. sabi ko na mr. blogger, dati request kayo ng request ng website, hindi nyo ba alam ang website? ngayon may isang official website ang INC hindi nyo pa rin matanggap. Ganyan ba talaga ang mga catholic apologists? mababait pa naman ang impression ko sa inyo pag pinagtatanggol ng ibang apologists ang pananampalataya nila ngunit ikaw, ganyan? at bakit kailangan ikumpara ang isang official website na incmediaservices.org sa official site ng vatican? at bakit nyo hahanapan ng mga aral ang website na yun, eh pangalan pa lang ng website, INC MEDIA SERVICES, para sa mga programa ng INC abroad dahil dun tinatalakay ang mga aral ng INC.

    Kakasabi ko lang ang pinaka official site ng INC sa pagkakaalam ko ay soon to be launched palang, ganyan ba kayo kaexcited? ayaw maghintay? pag lumabas na yon dun kayo magbunganga. Ang doktrina namin hindi nakatago, kayo lang ang nagsasabi nyan, kaya nga milyon milyon na ang kaanib sa INC, kasi kung nakatago eh di libo libo lang ang aanib, NAKATAGO PALA EH!

    at sana wag kayong basta basta kumuha ng website sa internet na hindi naman galing mismo sa INC. yung sinabi nyong website na yan na forum, gawa lang ng kaanib yan. wag nyo ng ipapilitan, alam kong alam nyong hindi yan galing sa authorized inc group p kung ano pa man.

    san mayroong iglesia ni manalo? naku wag kayong aanib dun, baka maligaw kayo ng landas! ngayon ko lang narinig ang church na yan, iglesia ni manalo? sa SEC ba meron nyan? anib na lang kayo sa Iglesia ni Cristo, kay Cristo po yan hindi kung kani kanino...

    jofoldo456


Makikita talaga natin na hinding hindi kailanman MAGTATAGUMPAY ang kasinungalingan laban sa KATOTOHANAN.

Kaya kung ako kay Catholicdefender2000, hindi ko na ipagkakalat ang maling balita at ipagpipilitan na si Ka Felix Manalo nga talaga ang kinikilala ng INC at ang founder nga talaga ng Iglesia. Baka magkaroon ng part2 ang nakakahiyang pangyayaring ito^^

Salamat sa mga kapatid patuloy na nagtatanggol ng ating pananampalataya!
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July 30, 2012

Iglesia ni Cristo 98th anniversary




Belated Happy anniversary to all brethren around the world!

We are now all excited because two years from now will be the talked about celebration which is the Iglesia ni Cristo's Centennial anniversary which will be centered in Ciudad de Victoria-Philippine Arena, and will be broadcasted live in different parts of the world.

In the 98th anniversary celebration of the church, the church conducted the "Lingap sa Mamamayan" at Tondo, Manila which is the biggest Lingap of the INC, biggest health and dental services in the Philippines, if not the world, which achieved 3 Guinness record. The church also launched INCinema and INConcert, and held Grand Evangelical Mission in all locales worldwide last July 27.

Other videos regarding the 98th anniversary of the Iglesia ni Cristo:


Iglesia ni Cristo- 98 BLESSES YEARS



INC REVIEW




STORIES OF FAITH




INC INTERNATIONAL EDITION




Another good news, the Executive Minister himself inaugurated 6 church projects:

FYM MEMORIAL (inaugurated: May 7, 2012)
"... the church administration refurbished Bro. Felix Manalo's life size monument that can be found at the Iglesia ni Cristo Central Office premises... Moreover, it is presently housed inside a simple, yet elegantly designed, gazebo-type structure. To be called FYM Memorial, it was built to remind church members that although the Last messenger is gone, his memory lives on; that the spiritual legacy he has left us will cannot be forgotten."


CENTRAL MULTI-LEVEL PARKING (inaugurated: May 7, 2012)
"...the seven-storey multi level parking inside the INC central office compound...Addressing the problem of lack of parking areas for vehicles, especially during office hours, the church administration decided to build the multi-level parking that can accommodate more than 500 vehicles."


CENTRAL RECREATION CENTER (inaugurated: May 7, 2012)
"...it is where brethren and their families can go and have some bonding time through sports and physical fitness....a three-storey recreation center which is located inside the INC central office compound... its facilities such as the bowling area, badminton court, weight room, aerobic area, track area, among others. The recreational center also has shower rooms, cafeteria and administration offices."


ART WING of the INC MUSEUM AND GALLERY (inaugurated: May 7, 2012)
"the INC museum and gallery has a new section or wing- the art wing... can accommodate art exhibitions by brethren, whether professionals, award winning artists, and serious hobbyists, whose purpose is to display their passion for their craft."


TAGUMPAY HEALTH CENTER (inaugurated: May 9, 2012)
"This two-storey health center at the INC compound in Rodriguez, Rizal aims to cater the medical needs of the residents of the Church's Taugmpay Community and its immediate environs. Moreover, Obgyne and Pedia room, Conference room, Dental room, Pharmacy, delivery/labor room, emergency room, among others, can be used to facilitate various medical needs."


SRG [Sound Reinforcement Group] (inaugurated: May 11, 2012)
"To oversee the sound facilities around the world, the Church administration established the Sound Reinforcement Group. Brother Eduardo Manalo inaugurated its main office located at the INC main office... State of the art audio equipment can be found in the said facility. Sound and video play an essential role in the many religious concerns of the church..."

source: Pasugo Issue June 2012


Wow, truly amazing! I just cant wait what other church projects are about to come before the centennial. And i will grab this opportunity this time for you to know what i wanted to campaign, and i want your HELP to make this happen, this is to counter disinformation to INC of nonmembers here in the web. So please brethren, this is all for the upcoming centennial, because as what i have said, im expecting that in that time, thousands of people will become curious about the INC and of course they will search it here in the web because i know the INC will be in the news worldwide.

If you notice, there are many anti-INC websites, blogs and etc that contained false informations created by jealous nonmembers for those who doesnt have knowledge in the INC will have bad impression to the Church.

PLEASE CREATE A BLOG!

Create a blog for the church that contains TRUE INFO's that they should know about the INC. For example, What is INC? Who are we? What are the projects of INC? and etc. This is purposed to bring RIGHT INFORMATIONS about the Iglesia ni Cristo, this is not for us to preach, but to give them the TRUE KNOWLEDGE about our beliefs, who we really are and what is the INC now. If you will help me on this, i will be thankful and i want to give you some advice:

-disable comments on your blog, or if you want viewers to comment, strictly moderate it.
-title your blog to iglesia ni cristo or put the name iglesia ni cristo in your URL, for example like what i did to this blog, i renamed it to readmeiglesianicristo.blogspot.com
-As you titled it to iglesia ni cristo, be sure to tell in your blog that you are just a member, you are not a representative of the church or authorized, tell them your blog is unofficial blog of the church.
-If you have no such knowledge to defend the church and etc just make posts about the INC showing true infos, you can avoid or not to do any article on defending our faith, i hope you get my point. But you can post articles from the Pasugo.
-you can make a blog here at www.blogger.com it is my best choice, but you can also try other like wordpress, tumbler and etc.
- List links of websites/blogs that contains true infos about the INC, like this blog.
-if you had created a blog, please inform me so i can list your blog on INC links.

This is not too early, this is the right time to do this, because your blog will not immediately be listed on search engines like Google, yahoo and so on, it will need time, like a year or two for your blog to be visible and on the said search engines, and like what ive said its just a perfect time because if you make a blog now, surely it will become visible on 2014, in the church's centennial.

I want your HELP and SUPPORT brethren, let us do this for the Church!^^
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July 24, 2012

Pagkakaiba ng ginagawa ng mga INC at Katoliko sa imahen at rebulto


Nakakatuwa at para bagang gustong palabasin ng mga katoliko na "kinakain namin ang sarili naming suka" dahil sa ang doktrina ng INC na makikita sa banal na kasulatan ay ganito:
"Huwag kang sasamba sa ibang diyos, maliban sa akin. Huwag kang gagawa ng imahen ng anumang nilalang na nasa langit, nasa lupa, o nasa tubig upang sambahin. Huwag mo silang yuyukuran ni sasambahin sapagkat akong si Yahweh na iyong Diyos ay mapanibughuing Diyos. " Exodus 20:4-5 (ABMBB)

Tapos, gumawa naman daw ng rebulto ni Ka Felix Manalo ang INC samantalang laging binabatikos ng Iglesia ang mga imahen/rebulto sa Iglesia Katolika. May pagkakaiba nga ba ang PAGGAMIT ng INC sa mga larawan/rebulto sa INC at sa mga larawan/rebulto sa Iglesia Katolika? Meron ba o wala o parehas lang sila ng PAGGAMIT SA MGA ITO?

Ito ang sagot: NAPAKALAKI NG PAGKAKAIBA NG "USAGE" ng sa INC at ng sa Iglesia Katolika, hindi lang isa o dalawa, kundi MARAMI, ANO ANO BA ITO?

Pero bago yan, ibibigay ko muna ang pagkakatulad ng GAMIT ng mga larawan/rebulto sa INC, sa Iglesia Katolika at ang mga pangkaraniwan at pampublikong larawan/rebulto katulad ng rebulto ni Dr. Jose Rizal:

- Upang ALALAHANIN ang tao sa larawan/rebulto.
- Upang bigyang PAGKILALA ang tao sa larawan/rebuto sa kanyang mga nagawa at kontribusyon.


PAGKAKAIBA:

- Hindi namin NILULUHURAN ang mga larawan/rebuto.
- Hindi namin DINADALANGINAN ang mga larawan/rebulto.
- Hindi namin ginagawang TAGAPAMAGITAN SA AMA ang mga larawan/rebulto.
- Hindi namin PINAGTITIRIK ng KANDILA ang mga larawan/rebulto.
- Hindi namin HINAHALIKAN at HINIHIPO habang nagdadasal o kaya naman sabay magsisign of the cross sa mga larawan/rebulto.
- Hindi namin iniisip na ito ay NAKAKAGAWA NG MGA HIMALA at mga extraordinaryong mga bagay.
-Hindi namin ito pinupunasan ng twalya o bimpo o panyo at ipunas sa parte ng katawan namin na may sakit upang GUMALING.
- Hindi namin ito PINAGPUPRUSISYON.
- Hindi namin inaalayan ng mga pagkain at kung anu-ano. (puwera bulaklak)
- Hindi kami nag aalay ng isang araw upang gawing PIYESTA at ipaghanda ang larawan/rebulto.
- Hindi kami bumibili ng larawan/rebulto ni Ka Felix sa mga tindahan upang ipandisplay habang nakalagay sa sariling ALTAR.
- at pinaka importante sa lahat, HINDI NAMIN ITO GINAGAWANG PARANG DYOS (pinaglilingkuran at sinasamba DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY).

Masyado bang kaunti ang mga pagkakaiba ng mga imahen/rebulto sa INC sa imahen/rebulto sa Iglesia Katolika? ANG KONTI BA???^^

Maraming bible verse ang makakapagpatunay na IPINAGBABAWAL ngang talaga ng ating Panginoong Diyos ang paggawa ng imahen/larawan. Ngunit hindi lang basta basta ganun, kundi yung gagawin mong PARANG DYOS, hindi man ituring na DYOS MISMO, kundi PINAPARANG DYOS.

Wala naman masama kung tutuusin ang PAGGAMIT ng mga ito ng Iglesia Katolika, dahil tulad ng sa Katesismo nila na sinasabing ito (daw) ay para lamang GUNITAIN o ALALAHANIN at bigyang PAGKILALA ang mga santo upang maging halimbawa sa mga tao, ang kaso, dinagdagan nila ng ibat ibang "practice" sa loob ng simbahan nila kung kaya itoy naging masama.

Sana wag naman masyado nagagalit samin ang mga Katoliko, kung magbabasa man kami sa BIBLIYA ng mga verses na nagsasabing BAWAL nga ang ginagawa nyo, CONCERN lang naman kami dahil ayaw namin kayoy mapahamak, hindi po ito PAGPAPAPOGI o PAGPAPAHIYA sa inyong paniniwala, may kaniya kaniya tayong paniniwala, ang kaso hindi lahat ng paniniwala ay TAMA at sukat IKALIGTAS, kabaligtaran pa nga dahil sa halip na kaligtasan ang inyong tamuhin ay KAPAHAMAKAN PA. Pero kahit ganoon nga, may kalayaan tayo sa paniniwala, kung napagpasyahan nyo sa sarili nyo na kahit narinig nyo na ang mga KAUTUSAN sa bibliya ay gusto nyo pa rin ituloy ang paniniwala at tradisyon nyo wala na po kaming magagawa, ang kaligtasan is a matter of CHOICE, sabi nga sa bibliya:

"Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! Deu. 30:19

At sana rin po ay wag kayong masyadong magalit kung binabatikos man namin ang inyong paniniwala ukol sa imahen/rebulto sa mga simbahan sa Iglesia Katolika, kasi kung tutuusin, kung titignan natin ang history, hindi naman kami ANG NAUNA dyan, kundi mismong Emperador ng Byzantine Empire, kung saan nagkaroon ng Iconoclastic period noon pang 730-787 A.D kung saan inalis at pinagtatanggal ang mga imahen/rebulto at striktong pinagbawal ang "veneration and worship of saints" na ginagawa ng mga katoliko ngayon.

Ito ang description at nakalagay mismo sa monumento ni Ka Felix Manalo na makikita sa Central Complex na ngayon ay tinatawag ng "FYM MEMORIAL": "Ang Kahalalan ng Sugo ay LAGI NATING ALALAHANIN, ngunit ang LARAWAN AT SYA ay HUWANG SASAMBAHIN."

Oh ayan, malinaw na, hindi pala ginawa ang rebulto ni Ka Felix upang SAMBAHIN, hindi katulad ng mga imahen/rebulto ng mga santo at ni Kristo(daw) na PINAPARANG DIYOS nila.
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July 23, 2012

Nakakatawang depensa tungkol sa pagpupunas ng mga imahen sa Iglesia Katolika


Grabe ang tawa ko ng mabasa ko ang pagtatanggol ng isang pari, opo, PARI ng Roman Catholic Church ngunit hindi lang basta pari, kundi Catholic apologist din, pero hindi lang basta Catholic Apologist kundi CFD National Spiritual Director, itoy tungkol sa pagpupunas ng mga Katoliko sa mga imahen ng santo at ni Kristo(daw) sa mga prosisyon at sa kanilang simbahan.

Eto po ang nakakatawa nyang paliwanag (red, emphasis mine):

Anonymous said...



Pader.... napansin ko lang sa katoliko... ang dameng katoliko na ginagawang Diyos ang mga santo.... bakit hindi nyo ipaliwanag sakanila na hindi Diyos ang mga santo para hindi sila namamale.... tapos Pader yun iba pupunas pa ng panyo tapos papahid sakanila,,, pra saan yun pader?? bakit hindi nyo sabihin sakanila na male yun?? Diba pagpapakita ng pagsamba sa diosdiosan yun????

nga pala....

katoliko ko,,, pero,, prang aanib ako sa Born Again... konte lang kc pinagkaiba nun sa katoliko... pareho lang ng Dios ,,,TRINITY...







Fr. Abe, CRS said...



[Pader.... napansin ko lang sa katoliko... ang dameng katoliko na ginagawang Diyos ang mga santo...]



IMPRESSION MO LANG YAN KASI NALASON NA ANG MGA BORN AGAIN ANG ISIP MO. PERO ANG TUTUO HINDI GINAGAWANG DIOS NG MGA CATOLICO ANG MGA SANTO.



[bakit hindi nyo ipaliwanag sakanila na hindi Diyos ang mga santo para hindi sila namamale...]



PINAPALIWANAG YAN. MALINAW YAN SA MGA CATOLICO. YUNG MGA HINDI ALAM YAN SIGURO E HINDI NAKINIG NG ITINUTURO SA CATECHISM O SA LOOB NG SIMBAHAN. SUBALIT MALINAW ANG TURO NA HINDI DIOS ANG MGA SANTO.



[tapos Pader yun iba pupunas pa ng panyo tapos papahid sakanila,,, pra saan yun pader??]



SIEMPRE NILILINISAN ANG MGA IMAHEN. ANG IMAHEN NI RIZAL SA LUNETA AY NILILINISAN AT MAY GUARDIA PA AT MAY MGA FRESH FLOWERS. ANG STATUE NI MICHAEL JORDAN SA LABAS NG UNITED CENTER SA CHICAGO AY NILILINISAN AT PINUPUNASAN DIN PARA LAGING MALINIS. PANONG NAGING MASAMA ANG PAGPUNAS SA MGA LARAWAN. KAHIT NA ANG MGA LARAWAN NG ATING MGA MAHAL SA BUHAY AY NILILINISAN PARA HINDI MASIRA.



[bakit hindi nyo sabihin sakanila na male yun??]



SINONG NAGSABE NA MALI YON. PAG HINDI PINUNASAN ANG MGA LARAWAN E DI MAGIGING MADUMI SA ALIKABOK.



[Diba pagpapakita ng pagsamba sa diosdiosan yun???]



HINDE. SINONG BALIW ANG NAGSABI SA YO NA PAG PINUNASAN E PAGSAMBA? KUNG IKAW BA PUNASAN NG NANAY MO O NG KASINTAHAN MO ANG IYONG MUKHA IBIG SABIHIN BA NON SINASAMBA KA? YON AY TANDA NG PAGMAMAHAL AT PAGLILINIS SA ISANG MAHALAGANG BAGAY.

KAYA NGA PINUPUNASAN E KASI ALAM NG MGA KATOLIKO NA HINDI DIOS YON. KASI ANG DIOS HINDI MAPUPUNASAN. KAYA PINUPUNASAN KASI ALAM NATING MGA KATOLIKO NA HINDI DIOS ANG MGA LARAWAN NG SANTO.



[nga pala.... katoliko ko,,,]



SALAMAT NAMAN.



[pero,, prang aanib ako sa Born Again...]



WAG, WAG KANG AANIB SA MGA BAGONG IMBENTONG RELIHIYON NA IYAN. LIKHA NG DIABLO ANG MGA GRUPO NA YAN. HINDI YAN GALING KAY CRISTO AT SA MGA APOSTLES. YAN AY PRODUCTO NG MGA HERETICO NA TULAD NI LUTHER AT CALVIN.



[konte lang kc pinagkaiba nun sa katoliko...]



MARAMING PAGKAKAIBA. MARAMI SILANG INIMBENTONG ARAL NA WALA SA BIBLIA.



[pareho lang ng Dios ,,,TRINITY...]



PAREHO NGA ANG DIOS SUBALIT GUMAYA LANG SILA SA ATIN KAYA PAREHO. ISA PA MAGKAIBA ANG IGLESIA KASI SILA BAGONG IMBENTO LANG HINDI TUNAY NA GALING KAY CRISTO. WAG MONG SALIHAN ANG RELIHIYONG GAWA NG TAO.

source: thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com

Yan po pala ang explanation ng Iglesia Katolika tungkol sa pagpupunas ng kanilang pinakamamahal na mga rebulto/imahen ng mga santo at ni Kristo(daw), ay dahil daw MARUMI, kaya KAILANGANG PUNASAN.

"Napaka intelihente", at "napaka sensible" naman masyado ang pagpapaliwanag ni "Father" na CFD National Spiritual Director, o sige na nga, tanggapin na natin ang kanyang paliwanag, na kaya pala pumipila ang milyon milyong katoliko lalo na pag pista ng itim na Nazareno, na ang iba ay namamatay at nagkakasakitan dahil sa tulakan kapag prosisyon, ay para lang pala linisin ang imahen ni Kristo(daw), eto:




Akala ko pa naman ay naggigitgitan at nagsasakripisyo sila para sa MILAGRO ng Itim na nazareno, yun pala para sa MILAGRO ng "alikabok at dumi" ng itim na Nazareno. Ito pala ang pinupunasan nila at pag dumikit na sa kanilang mga twalya, ipapahid sa bahagi ng katawan na may sakit at sila ay gagaling. Wow, miraculous GERMS!

Naniniwala pa sila na milagro ang mga ito, pero ito ang sinasabi ng bibliya:

"They put it on their shoulders and carry it. They set it in its place, and there it stands; it cannot move from its place. People may yell at it, but it cannot answer. It cannot save them from their troubles." Isaiah 46:7

Hindi kasi matanggap ng mga depensor Katoliko na kahit isang milyong beses pa nilang sabihing hindi nila sinasamba ang mga larawan/statwa ng santo nila at ni Kristo(daw), hindi nila maisasantabi ang katotohanang maraming katoliko ang lantaran at literal na sinasamba ang mga ito. Sila na mismo ang nagsabi na "ignorante" kasi ang mga katoliko sa sariling dokrtina, kaya ang mga may alam sa aral ng Iglesia Katolika, ang sasabihin hindi daw nila sinasamba at ginagawang dyos, pero para naman sa mga katolikong walang kaalaman sa paniniwala nila, ang ginagawa nila ay pagsamba at paglilingkod sa mga ito.

Isa sa magandang halibawa ay ang mga dating katoliko na lumipat sa ibang relihiyon partikular na sa Iglesia ni Cristo, kung totoong hindi nila sinasamba at pinaglilingkuran yung mga santo nila, BAKIT SILA UMALIS SA IGLESIA KATOLIKA? at BAKIT SILA AFFECTED?

Kung totoong hindi nga, eh bakit ang madalas nilang sabihing dahilan kaya sila lumipat ng relihiyon eh "Nalaman ko kasi sa bibliya na mali pala ang pagsamba at paglilingkod sa mga inanyuang tao na mga rebulto/statwa/imahen" ?
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The Secrets of Quiapo













The Secrets of Quiapo (Documentary of Howie Severino)

Four corners. Four illicit trades. Four discreet transactions.

In the east, men engaged in the flesh trade await customers ready to pay them in exchange for sex. In the south, vendors secretly sell abortive pills for would-be mothers who are not yet ready to conceive children. In the west, robbers and snatchers observe and tail possible victims. In the north, operators and vendors thrive in selling pirated DVDs in a guerrilla-like market.

Numerous modi operandi. Different characters. Yet their lives revolve in just one place the Quiapo Church .

Every day, thousands of Filipinos troop to the busiest Church in the country to offer their prayers. Yet despite being the bastion of Catholicism in Manila , its four corners are filled with illegalities that undermine the Churchs sanctity and challenge the power of the authorities day after day.

In the last installment of the I-Witness Black Market Special" this Monday, join veteran and multi-awarded broadcast journalist Howie Severino as he tours the streets of Quiapo and exposes the secrets that beset the four corners of this holy structure.

source: youtube.com

All of these happened and still happening just around the vicinity of Quiapo Church- a supposed place for worship and a holy place.
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House of prayer turned market

ADD Convention Center




Roman Catholic Cathedral in the Philippines





"When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” John 2:13-16


Jesus went into the Temple area. He threw out all those who were selling and buying things there. He turned over the tables that belonged to those who were exchanging different kinds of money. And he turned over the benches of those who were selling doves. Jesus said to them, “The Scriptures say, ‘My Temple will be called a house of prayer.’ But you are changing it into a ‘hiding place for thieves.’” Matthew 21:12-13
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July 21, 2012

Ano ba talaga ang mensahe ng pamamahala ukol sa mga kapatid na gumagamit ng internet?


Alam po natin ang mga paalala ng pamamahala tungkol sa mga kapatid na gumagamit ng social networking sites, mga sumasali sa forum at gumagawa ng mga videos sa youtube at blog/websites para sa INC.

Marami ang mga ipinagbabawal, halimbawa na lang ay sa facebook, bawal magpost ng mga litrato na may (alam nyo na), bawal din kahit mga litrato ng maytungkulin na pinipicturan ang sarili habang nakadamit pantupad at habang nasa loob ng kapilya, bawal din ang paggamit ng logo at mga pag aari ng INC, mga fb page/accounts na nakapangalan sa Iglesia, sumali sa mga forum habang nakikipagdebate, at marami pang iba.

Itong mga ipinagbabawal na ito ay may kanya kanyang dahilan, hindi lang basta ipinagbawal.

Halimbawa na lang ay ang pagbabawal na magpost ng sariling litrato habang nakadamit pantupad, kasi nga ginagamit ito ng mga pwersa ng kasamaan partikular na ng mga myembro ni Mr. Soriano upang siraan ang INC. Isang pangyayari na lang ay ang nakapost sa facebook ngayon at sa iba pang blogs at forum ang isang kapatid na dyakonesa, sa litrato makikita ang nasa kaliwang bahagi ay picture nya habang nasa kapilya at nakadamit pantupad, ang nasa kanan na bahgi naman ay picture nya habang nakadamit pang swimming habang nasa pool, at kinomentuhan nila na "ay ganito pala ang mga INC members, kunwari banal pero ito at nilalantad ang katawan". Gusto ko nga sanang sagutin pero saka na muna, ilalagay ko na lang dito sa blog ko. Alangan naman mag suot sya ng pang swimming habang nasa kapilya at magdamit pantupad habang nasa pool? Gagawin lahat talaga nila ang lahat para siraan ang Iglesia sa lahat ng paraan at sa lahat ng magagawa nila, kaya pinapaalalahanan ang mga kapatid tungkol dito.

Nakakatuwa dahil may mga kapatid na hindi lang sumusunod kundi nakikipagkaisa sa pamamahala, tumutulong sila na sabihan ang mga kapatid na nakikitaan ng paglabag dito. Kaso, sana maintindihan po natin lahat ang totoong mensahe ng pamamahala ukol dito, kasi ang ibang kapatid ay, paano ko ba idedescribe, "o.a"? parang ganun, pasensya na po pero may ilang kapatid na ganyan, na poke sinabi ng pamamahala ay "BAWAL" eh lahat ay tumutukoy sa kahit anong bagay at sa kahit sino, walang exemption.

Kung hindi po ninyo naiintindihan ang binabanggit ko, didiretsuhin ko na, halimbawa na lang ay ang nangyari sakin, may kapatid na nakabisita sa blog ko at sinabi na burahin na ito at kung ano pa man. Inexplain ko naman sa kanya kung para saan ito, kaso pinagpilitan nya talaga ang tagubilin tungkol sa "BAWAL" na iyon hanggang sa nagkadiskusyunan na kami. Sa totoo lang po, honestly, ewan ko ba pero naiinis po ako pag may ganun akong nakakasalamuha, alam ko naman po na concern kayo sa ginagawa ko, pero sana alam nyo rin at naisip na ALAM KO PO ang ginagawa ko, ALAM KO PO ang limitasyon ko bilang INC defender, may permiso man ang lahat ng ginagawa ko o wala, dahil wala rin namang nabibigyan ng permiso dahil ipinagbabawal nga.

Matagal na rin po akong nagboblog tungkol sa INC, kahit wala man kapalit ang mga ginagawa kong ito, may sukli naman po itong malaking kagalakan pag may nageemail sakin na mga kapatid na naaapreciate nila ang blog ko, na ituloy ko pa daw ang ginagawa ko, at nagpapasalamat dahil ginawa ko ang blog na ito na marami daw akong natutulungan dahil marami ang natututo. Iyon po ang dahilan ko kung bakit patuloy lang po ako sa pagpopost ng mga artikulo, isa lang naman po ang gusto ko--> upang ipakita ang KATOTOHANAN sa loob ng iglesia, hindi ko po ito ginawa para lang depensahan ang INC, o purihin ang INC at kung ano pa man, gusto kong ipakita ang mga totoong nangyayari sa INC.

Ang pagbabawal sa paggawa ng blogs/websites at pakikipagdebate tungkol sa INC ay sa kadahilanang baka kasi magkamali ang ibang kapatid lalo na hindi naman sila ministro, hindi naman sila ang nag aral sa pagkaministro upang malaman ang mga tinatanong ng di kaanib sa mga kaanib ng INC, at kung magkamali ay sasabihin nila at aakalain na ang INC as a whole ang nagkamali.

Sana wag na po tayo magkaroon ng pag iisip na parang "hayaan nyo na lang sila akayin na lang natin sila sa mga doktrina" dahil hindi po ganyan dito sa internet, lahat ng taga sanlibutan ay hindi seryoso sa pagsusuri sa INC, ginagawa lang nila itong dahilan para batikusin at siraan ang INC. Kaya kahit isang milyong beses nyo silang sabihang, "dumalo na lang po kayo sa aming pamamahayag at mga pagsamba", hindi nila yan gagawin dahil hindi naman po nila intensyon yan, ang intensyon nila ay manira at akayin ang INC members sa kanilang relihiyon. Kaya marami na ring mga INC members na pinangatawanang "INC defenders" sila tulad ko.

Alam ko po at naiintindihan ang totoong mensahe ng pamamahala, hindi po porke sinabing eto at ganyan eh "BAWAL", ibig sabihin eh lahat na ng klase ng ganun ay bawal, walang exemption.

Tulad na lang ng doktrina natin na nasa bibliya na bawal gumawa ng inanyuang tao sa langit o sa lupa upang gawing rebulto o larawan, ibig sabihin ba nito ay bawal ang statwa ni Ka Felix at bawal ang mga statwa ng mga bayani?

Ang ibig sabihin, ang bawal eh yung mga larawan at statwa na sinasamba, pinaglilingkuran at inaalayan ng kung ano ano.

Isa pa, pag sinabi bang "bawal uminon ng alak" ang ibig sabihin kahit isang patak ng alcoholic drink ay bawal na? Hindi naman ganun ang mensahe sa bibliya at ng tagubilin galing sa pamamahala, ang mensahe noon, eh bawal ang maging lasinggero/lasinggera dahil hindi ito nakakagawa ng mabuti satin, nakakagawa pa nga tayo ng masasamang bagay dahil dito. Ibig sabihin ba nito kahit ang mga cocktail at mismong katas ng ubas (wine) ay bawal?

Sana nagets po ako ng mga kapatid.

Parehas lang po ang tagublin na iyon sa sinasabing bawal makipagdebate at gumawa ng ganitong uri ng mga blog o websites. Ang pagbabawal pong ito ay para lamang sa mga kapatid na wala naman masyadong alam sa doktrina ng INC, ibig sabihin yung hindi masyado marunong makipagdebate at yun nga, wala masyadong kaalaman tungkol sa INC, syempre mamaya magkamali sila mahirap na. Ako naman po at ang ibang INC defenders ay mga bihasa na tungkol dyan, ako matagal tagal na rin, at marami rami na rin akong alam tungkol sa INC dahil sa pagreresearch na ginagawa ko, kaya sana lang ay wag nyo na po akong isama sa mga taong sinanasabihan na itigil na ang blog na ito o wag na makipag ganito ganyan, kung sa bagay hindi na rin naman ako nakikipagdebate sa mga forums dahil nagsawa nako^^ Nakakatamad kadebate ang mga closeminded kaya sumuko nako.

At sana maintindihan nyo ang ginagawa namin, hindi naman kami nagpapakapagod at nagpapakahirap para sa ikasisira ng Iglesia, bagkus tulad ng sinasabi ng iba, ginagawa pa kaming mga kasangkapan para lalong mas malaman ng iba nating di kapananampalataya ang katotohanan na pinaniniwalaan nating mga Iglesia ni Cristo.

Salamat sa mga sumusoporta saming mga nagtatanggol sa Iglesia, at sana yung iba ring kapatid na alam nyo sa sarili nyong wala pa kayong masyadong kaalaman tungkol sa INC, wag narin po kayo makipagdebate at sumali sa mga forums dahil hindi basta basta ang mga andun, mga professional at amateur debaters po ang mga kalaban nyo dyan.

Naniniwala ako sa kasabihang "You cannot please everybody", alam kong may ilan paring kapatid na hindi nakakaintindi sa ginagawa ko at namin dito sa internet pero kahit ganoon nagpapasalamat din ako sa mga pagpapaalala na ginagawa nyo.
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Why do they hate Iglesia ni Cristo?


I am wondering why a particular group of people hates INC so much that they attack not just its doctrines but attacks also its members and its church administration personally. You know, it is very normal if they attack INC doctrines, but attacking INC members and the church administration is a different case.

We CHRISTIANS (those who believe in Christ) are arguing about our faith because we have different beliefs, which is normal, but if you attack other faith personally like telling and spreading lies about him/her/ or to them that is a different story.

I said "a particular group of people" that attacks us personally are not just ordinary nonmembers, but JEALOUS nonmembers. No ordinary nonmember would create lies like saying Bro. Felix Manalo was a rapist or a demon and INC members are satanist and so on.

What ordinary nonmember does is commenting on our beliefs, even if they say our doctrine like this and that are wrong, it is NORMAL, because it only means that they are to disagree on our beliefs.

What JEALOUS nonmembers do are spreading and telling lies like INC members are murderers, Bro. Felix does have many children in different women, Ministers and Manalo family corrupts the money of its members, INC members are brainwashed and so on, these are just some of the many attacks they do in the web, the kind of emotion as if the Church killed their loved one.


Here's my question: WHY DO THEY HATE INC THAT MUCH?


Is it only because we have a belief that the church that was established by Christ is the one who will be saved, which is obviously written in the Holy Scriptures? Is it only because the ministers are commenting on the beliefs of the Catholic Church and Protestant sects/denominations, that they say their beliefs are wrong?

I dont think those reason are valid for them to HATE the INC, i have already said that we INC members DO NOT HATE CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS, what we are against are their false doctrines and teachings. We have many Catholic and Protestant friends, so whats the reason to HATE THE INC?


Do we attack Catholics, catholic priests, protestants, protestant pastors and etc. PERSONALLY?

I dont think so, because we have no reason for us to do it, but you may see some of us doing the same thing without the intention of doing it, we just cant take not to do something for the church as it is being attack using baseless and malicious accusations, in short, being attack using their created lies.

What does the bible taught about JEALOUSY? Click here.

I hope someone here who is a member of that "particular group of people" i am talking about, or jealous nonmembers can answer my question, because i really wonder why do they HATE INC SO MUCH that they do whatever they can to insult, and mock the church, the members, and the church administration.
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July 14, 2012

CFD Mr. Talibong, totoong nandaya sa debate!



Eto po ang parte ng video galing na mismo sa mga katoliko, kung saan nandaya ng lantaran ang CFD at tanggap na tanggap naman ito ni Mr. talibong. Ang nakakatawa lang eh pinagtatanggol pa ng mga katoliko, CFD, at pari nila na hindi daw siya nandaya, meron daw talagang ganoong version sa bibliya na nakalagay sa Mat. 16:18 eh "One holy Catholic apostolic roman church". Magkaparehas lang daw talaga sila na "Confraternity bible" pero magkaiba daw ang version.


Totoo ba ito? O isa na naman nilang kasinungalingan?


Tinalakay na ito sa "Ang tamang daan" ngunit sabi nila eh EDITED DAW YUNG VIDEO AT BIAS, eto po:





Kung kaya kinuha ko ang parte ng video kung saan naganap ang pandaraya ni Mr. Talibong galing na mismo sa kanilang mga katoliko, nilagyan ko ng "annotations" nilagyan ko ng opinyon ko tungkol sa nangyari, at hindi ko ito INEDIT, baka sabihin na naman nila eh INEDIT KO YUNG VIDEO, AYSUS.

Dun sa video sa itaas, pwede nyong simulan sa 6:10.

Alam ng buong mundo, na walang NI ISANG BIBLIYA na ang nakalagay sa Mat. 16:18 eh "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church", bakit? Kasi nga:

“In 1870, at the Vatican Council, the name ‘Roman Catholic Church’ was proposed, but it was rejected. The bishops assembled unanimously decided upon this official name: ‘The Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church’” Discourses on the Apsotle’s Creed, Rev. Clement Crock, p. 191

Nung 1870 lang naman kasi naimbento ang opisyal na pangalan ng Catholic Church, eh paano masusulat yun eh nung dati pa naisulat at naipublished ang bibliya? Wala ring MATINO at SERYOSONG biblical scholar sa buong mundo na sasang ayon sa kanila na totoong may nakasulat na One Holy etc. sa bibliya lalo na sa Mat. 16:18 dahil ang binabanggit lamang doon eh "I will build my CHURCH..."

Ang pandarayang ito ay naganap sa isang public debate noong Aug. 2006 sa pagitan ng Catholic Church CFD: Mr. Wendell Talibong at Iglesia ni Cristo public debater: Ka Ramil Parba. Pinalitan lang naman nila ang isang page sa bibliya sa Confraternity bible, sakto naman na ang gamit din ni Ka Ramil Parba ay pareho ring bibliya kaya kitang kita sa video sa itaas na napahiya si Mr. Talibong, pero kahit ganoon nakakatuwa naman na TANGGAP nya ito. Ang nakakapagtaka lang ay pilit syang pinagtatanggol ng mga katoliko, yan ang sinasabi ko sa mga manananggol katoliko, basta maka DEPENSA LANG, wala naman sila sa KATOTOHANAN...

Makikita rin sa video pagkatapos nyang mapahiya ay nangatwiran syang "bastat nabasa ko sa bibliya (adulterated bible o hindi) ang pangalang One holy Catholic etc." kaya pumagitna na si Ka Jose Ventilation kasi nga naman unfair, kaya sinabi nya ito sa moderator buti na lang kamo at ang audience ay hindi mga ignorante dahil alam nila na talagang may naganap nga na pandaraya. Grabe, kakaiba talaga ang mga Catholic defender, ibat ibang taktika, puro pandaraya.

Alam nyo, kung totoong magkaiba LANG ng version ito at totoong may nakasulat ngang ganung pangalan sa bibliya, BAKIT NI HINDI MAN LANG NYA NAIPAGTANGGOL ANG SARILI NIYA? AT BAKIT HINDI ITO GINAGAMIT NG IBAT IBANG CATHOLIC DEFENDERS SA BUONG MUNDO UPANG PATUNAYAN NA ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH NILA AY NAKASULAT SA BIBLIYA?


(Note: di ko po naiintindihan ang legwahe nila, pero mabuti na lang at may halong tagalog ang dialekto nila kaya ginamit ko na lang ang common sense ko.^^)



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July 10, 2012

Trending now: Iglesia ni Cristo breaks 3 world records!


After being in the eye of world public because of the construction of to be the World's Largest domed arena--The "Philippine Arena" and the buying of a town in South Dakota, here comes next, as the Iglesia ni Cristo tried to break not just 1 but 3 world records! In commemoration of the church's 98th anniversary, it organized a Lingap sa Mamamayan or "Aid for humanity" in Tondo, Manila where close to 100,000 people went to the medical mission.

Unexpected 3 world records achieved:

1. Largest dental health check for one day
2. biggest number of blood pressure readings taken in eight hours
3. most numerous blood glucose level tests, also within eight hours.

All INC members are proud not boastful about these things because it means to us that God is really helping the church on gaining more and more achievements, all for the glory of Almighty God--The father.

News from websites and blogs:
inquirer.net
travelparadise.blogspot.com
abscbnnews.com
yahoo.com
batangastoday.com
noypistuff.blogspot.com
spot.ph
rizalnewsonline.com

Now, jealous nonmembers are again, and AGAIN, yes, never ending AGAIN, are making disinformation campaign and posting negative comments about it. Others like Catholic defenders and members of the church of Mr. Soriano will make negative articles about this, I AM EXPECTING IT from now but that's not SURPRISING.

They will say, "what's this? a publicity? why does the INC needed to make some publicity just to say it helps people?" Oh my, oh my. These words are just being repeated and posted again and again whenever there is a news about the Church helping others.

The Lingap sa Mamamayan is a socio-civic project of the church which purposed to help members and nonmembers through many ways, like medical, and dental missions. This project all started in the time of Bro. Felix Manalo, click here for the history of Lingap sa Mamamayan.

In the past, this Lingap sa Mamamayan was done yearly and only when great calamities came, but in the time of Bro. Eduardo Manalo, this is done frequently whenever people needs help. And when "Felix Manalo foundation" was created, the outreach project is widen, and more and more people benefiting to this event.

The church did not only aim for the Guinness records, but to help those in needs, as what the representative of Guinness said:

“And it wasn’t just about achieving Guinness world records,” she said, noting that there was treatment and assessment of what was wrong with the people who came to the vast makeshift structure that emulated a hospital setting at the heart of Tondo’s slums."

“I have truly not seen anything like this not just as a representative of Guinness world record, but in my life. I’ve never seen an organization so dedicated to helping other people free of charge all day from 10 past 10 in the morning to 10 past nine at night,” she said.

This event only means that we dont need to become rich to help, we dont need to become the biggest charity or institution in the world to help. Anyone and everybody CAN HELP. This achievement is not only for the Iglesia ni Cristo, but also for us FILIPINOS as well, though we are in the 3rd world country we CAN organize this kind of event, and let make things happen.
The feat was also a win for the Philippines, organizers said.

Before, they criticize the INC for not having a "foundation" or charities that helps people, now when the INC is reaching its hand to people, they still criticize the church like saying what the INC does is only a "publicity".

What other accusation will they spread besides saying LSM is just a "front act" of the church? Lets wait and be unsurprised! Just a friendly reminder:

"If you are selfish and have bitter jealousy in your hearts, you have no reason to boast. Your boasting is a lie that hides the truth. That kind of “wisdom” does not come from God. That “wisdom” comes from the world. It is not spiritual. It is from the devil. Where there is jealousy and selfishness, there will be confusion and every kind of evil." James 3:14-16


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Iglesia ni Cristo breaks 3 Guinness records!


“You are now officially amazing!”
With this declaration, Guinness world record’s official adjudicator Tarika Vara certified that the international aid for humanity, or “lingap sa mamamayan,” which the Iglesia ni Cristo’s (INC) held in Manila on July 7, had broken three Guinness world records.
The whole-day medical-dental mission in the capital’s huge informal settlers’ community broke the world record for the largest dental health check.
It also broke two other world records—for the biggest number of blood pressure (BP) readings taken in eight hours and for the most numerous blood glucose level (BGL) tests, also conducted in eight hours.
The feat was also a win for the Philippines, organizers said.
Parola, Tondo
At the closing of the medical-dental mission in Parola, Tondo, on Saturday night, Vara announced that she and the Guinness partner auditor for the event had recorded 4,128 people who benefited from the dental health check, beating the record of 3,377 previously held by India.
Guinness also announced a record 8,026 BP readings and 5,217 BGL tests, which were conducted in cooperation with the Felix Y. Manalo Foundation.
The Kuwait Heart Foundation previously held the record of 7,203 BP readings taken in eight hours. The foundation achieved the record on Oct. 28, 2011.
The previous record for the most numerous BGL tests in eight hours was 3,573. It was achieved at an event organized by the Novo Nordisk Education Foundation in Bangalore, India on Nov. 13, 2011.
“This was a truly extraordinary event,” Vara said of the INC achievement, as she made the announcement.
“I have truly not seen anything like this not just as a representative of Guinness world record, but in my life. I’ve never seen an organization so dedicated to helping other people free of charge all day from 10 past 10 in the morning to 10 past nine at night,” she said.
Vara said she did not know of any other organization in the world that was able to break three records in just one event.
Guinness seal
“I would like to say that I was extremely pleased (and) moved, and I’m just completely humbled by the fact that you gave your services today. The standards were incredibly high. All of you ensured that you were following the Guinness world record guidelines which I was adamant you had to. So, thank you for listening to me. You are now, officially amazing!” Vara said.
Medicines, relief bags
She raised the “Guinness world record” seal amid shouts of joy from volunteers, organizers and beneficiaries who stayed on for the announcement.
Aside from providing medical and dental consultations, the lingap sa mamamayan distributed medicines to thousands of residents in Tondo, particularly those from Parola, Baseco and Isla Puting Bato.
Volunteers from the INC and the Felix Y. Manalo Foundation also distributed 50,000 bags of relief that contained 5 kilos of rice each, noodles and canned goods.
In a statement, INC executive minister Eduardo V. Manalo said the INC members were doing this in accordance with the biblical teachings to love and care for others, especially those who have less in life.
The aid for humanity in Tondo was also done to commemorate the INC’s 98th anniversary this month.
Homeless
The INC holds regular aid-for-humanity activities, especially in areas stricken by calamities. Just two months ago, fire hit the Parola compound and Isla Puting Bato, leaving at least 5,000 residents homeless.
Glicerio B. Santos Jr., INC general auditor, said the aid for humanity in Tondo was the biggest so far.
Some 200 doctors, 600 paramedics, and hundreds of nurses and other volunteers, led by Glicerio Santos III, helped to make the daylong outreach a success.
Organizers said close to 100,000 people, most of them living in the slums of Tondo, flocked to the event.
The aid for humanity also provided X-ray, ultrasound, 2D-echo and laboratory services, and set up 10 hospital beds where minor surgeries could be performed. Aside from medicines, several wheelchairs were also given to needy folks.
Vara said this was an “incredible feat” because the thousands who had flocked to the area, had been given proper attention by the doctors, nurses and paramedics, complete with the necessary medication to address their ailments.
Hospital setting
“And it wasn’t just about achieving Guinness world records,” she said, noting that there was treatment and assessment of what was wrong with the people who came to the vast makeshift structure that emulated a hospital setting at the heart of Tondo’s slums.
The distribution of relief started at around 8 a.m. Medical and dental services opened at 10:10 a.m. and were conducted for eight hours straight. Counters from SGV, Guinness’ partner in the event, ensured strict compliance with Guinness guidelines.
At 6:10 p.m., the counting was officially stopped, although the checkup continued for hundreds still in line.

source: inquirer.net



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July 9, 2012

Infant baptism is the key why there is a Catholic growth worlwide


Infant baptism is the main reason why, despite the fact that many leaves the Catholic Church, the church still experience growth worldwide. I think even i will not elaborate this, you will also realize that this invented doctrine, which is "Infant baptism", really affects the total population of Catholics.

I will cite some examples, let us see this table:

UN Ranking Country Fertility rate
(2005–2010)
(births/woman)[5]		 Percent Christian
1 Vatican City
100.0%
2 Pitcairn Islands
100.0%
3 Ecuador 2.58 99.0%
4 East Timor 6.53 99.0%
5 Armenia 1.39 98.7%
6 Equatorial Guinea 5.36 98.6%
7 Moldova 1.40 98.3%
8 American Samoa 3.22 98.3%
9 Venezuela 2.55 98.0%
10 Greece 1.33 98.0%


The table above was the top 10 countries with highest percentage of Christians, fertility rate affects the growth of numbers of Christians. Just think about it, catholic couples may have 2 children or more, then the number of Catholics in their country will be doubled.

Here's another table:

Religion Births Conversions New adherents per year Growth rate
Christianity 22,708,799 2,501,396 25,210,195 1.36%
Islam 21,723,118 865,558 22,588,676 1.43%
Hinduism 13,194,111 −660,377 12,533,734 1.69%
Buddhism 3,530,918 156,609 3,687,527 1.09%
Sikhism 363,677 28,961 392,638 1.87%
Judaism 194,962 −70,447 124,515 0.91%
Bahá'í 117,158 26,333 143,491 2.28%
Confucianism 55,739 −11,434 44,305 0.73%
Jainism 74,539 −39,588 34,951 0.87%
Shinto 8,534 −40,527 -31,993 −1.09%
Taoism 25,397 −155 25,242 1.00%
Zoroastrianism 45,391 13,080 58,471 2.65%
Global population 78,860,791
78,860,791 1.41%


In Christianity, there is an over 25.2 million growth every year, composed of 2.5 million converts and the rest is because of birth rate. With the 2.2 billion Christians, 1.1 or half of its population belongs to the Catholic Church, so the growth of the Catholic Church relies on birth rate.

Last example, the Catholic statistics in Ireland:

"In 1990, just over 65,000 babies were baptised, but by 2006, (the most recent statistics available) this had risen to 67,191. Infant baptism remains by far the most common means of new members coming into the Church in Ireland,but Church statistics also show a growing number of people aged seven and older, coming forward for baptism.

In 1990, there were just 65 baptisms in this category. A decade later, the number had almost tripled to 178, and by 2006, that number had doubled again, to 360."

source: cinews.ie

There's really a great difference between infant baptism vs. adult baptism, and that's how powerful infant baptism was!
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July 8, 2012

El Shaddai is not a church


Is El Shaddai founded by Mr. Mike Velarde a church?

No. El shaddai is just one of the many Catholic movements like Couples for Christ in the country. Its adherents composed of course, mainly Catholics but there are also non Catholics who join this movement. Their House of prayer in Paranaque City costs P1 billion, they also have international chapters or branches abroad.
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July 7, 2012

Does INC practice tithing?


What is tithing? Does INC practice tithing? Why and why not? If not, where does INC get funds for building houses of worship around the world?


ANSWER:

The Iglesia ni Cristo DOES NOT PRACTICE TITHING, we never, do not and will not practice tithing. If you may see in the internet that says the church does it, well its a false info from nonmembers.


What is TITHE?

"A tenth part of one's annual income contributed voluntarily or due as a tax, especially for the support of the clergy or church." source: thefreedictionary.com


Why does the INC do not practice tithing?

Let us just read this interesting article in gotquestions.org, it says:


"Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches tithing is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5).

In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent, not the 10 percent which is generally considered the tithe amount today. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5).

Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7)."

INC does not practice tithing because it is not a commandment in the Christian Era, this law is from the Old testament so what the INC teaches to its members is to contribute wholeheartedly, and should give happily not forced. Our offerings are not compulsory but voluntary, we are not forced, manipulated and commanded to give as what the bible says:

"Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion ..." II Cor. 9:7, The Amplified Bible

Where does the INC get funds on its activities, building of houses of worship, buying of properties, maintenance of houses of worship, building infrastructure projects, and so on?

All of these came from only one source--> voluntary contribution of INC members. The church does not have any investments, or does have businesses which purposed to make profit. And all of these are not for the purpose of extravagance or fame and whatsoever, but we always dedicate these for the glory of our Almighty God--the Father.


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