How to create lies?

Our instructor, Mr. Ernesto Serna Vasol (Catholicdefender2000), owner of the blog In defense of the church, who loves to “answer/quote” my posts. But when answering/arguing to me and other INC members, he is remarkably known for doing these:

*He quotes some Pasugo statements and misinterprets what it contains, to favor with his side.

*He loves to “quote/answer” my posts here in my blog when the topic is about their church. Maybe he is so hurt reading such truths.^_^

*He makes lies, accusations and makes statements exaggerated so that readers will have a bad impression/thinking about his opponent, making him to win the argument.

*He ALWAYS joins the topics about accusations in the INC whenever he would make a post to the INC like saying it is a corporation sole, that Bro. Felix vs. Trillaness issue is true that Trillaness won the case, INC is a cult, and many other! You can notice it while reading even just ONE post of him regarding the INC!

*He quotes unreliable sources, and ANTI-INC blogs/sites/articles that he says “EXPOSE” the INC whenever he makes post about the church, making it favor for his intention, to debunk the INC!

*Whenever there is a member who argues with them, THEY (for most Catholic Defenders does it) always recognized them as a MINISTER, or high rank official in the INC, then make some accusations so that people will have a bad impression to us.

*When “answering/quoting” my post, he only show SOME and not ALL what it contained, he only picks some of the information that he can ANSWER.

*Bias on his opinions like other Catholics does.

And MANY MORE!

FYI: I made a research about him that’s why I had show his Full name!^_^

He “answer” my post entitled “Statues/Images in the INC”, here is his “answer” to my post on his blog entitled “Holy vs. Vain Images, which is detestable?” click on the link. I will just quote some of the content of his post because the lies, oh im sorry^_^ the post of him were too long.

In the introduction of his post he said:

“INC Minister "readme" tried to justify the presence of Felix Manalo's statue at their Central Temple in Diliman, Quezon City (Philippines)….”

That’s what im talking about, before this post, he said I AM JUST A MEMBER, but most of the time he recognize me as a MINISTER for he cannot accept that im just a college student for I have a greater knowledge THAN him, (haha) or greater skills in arguments maybe he’s so jealous. By the way, what is the truth MR. Catholicdefender2000?

And we all know who does CREATE LIES!!

Lets continue…

He then quote some of my post, then he said:

“When Felix Manalo established his Iglesia ni Cristo sect (or CULT) prior to registering it in 1914, he was ABSOLUTELY 10000% in OPPOSITION to having IMAGES in his newly founded church (cult). Because for him ALL IMAGES are abominable—pagan in origin which the Iglesia ni Cristo SHOULD NOT have and according to its Fundamental Teachings, they SHOULD NOT duplicate any of Catholic practices including having images and “worshipping” them….”

See the understandings of this Catholic Defender, very poor. Bro. Manalo lets say oppose to having images/statues INSIDE THE CHURCH. Not in all aspect even the picture of your family inside the house and etc. that Bro. Felix opposes, it is that STATUES/IMAGES in the CATHOLIC CHURCH WERE MADE AND USE IN THEIR WORSHIP. Or making any acts of WORSHIP TO THOSE, VIOLATING GOD’S COMMANDMENTS ABOUT IT. Lets say it is true, but the thing is, the CATHOLIC PRACTICES SHOULD REALLY NOT BE DUPLICATED especially on those doctrines/practices that makes people violates teachings of god!

He continued…

“And because the Catholic Church has a lot of sacred images like that of the great Temple of Jerusalem, he said, this ISN’T anymore the Church of Christ established IN the first Century (though he acknowledged that the Catholic Church WAS Christ’s ORIGINAL CHURCH [PASUGO April 1966, p. 46] which Christ himself established in the first Century).”

The added teachings and changes in the Church of Christ (became Catholic Church) is the reason why it isn’t ANYMORE, again ANYMORE christ’s church! We always admit that the Catholic Church (Church of Christ in called in the first century) was the church built by Christ HOWEVER FALLEN TO APOSTASY. That’s why it is NEEDED to restore Christ’s CHURCH in order for the work of SALVATION continues. (Gets? ^_^)

He further said:

“And so he REGISTERED a Corporation Sole named it “Iglesia ni Cristo”® entirely in TAGALOG with HIMSELF as the FOUNDER, Creator, Initiator, Originator etc.

Of course it would be ridiculous if he would PROCLAIM another Church when the ORIGINAL CHURCH is still THERE existing.”

I will make a post about the “CORPORATION SOLE” if what really it is. By the way, do Catholicdefender2000 KNOWS THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS INDEED A CORPORATION SOLE?^_^ Does he know that Churches existed are registered as a corporation sole? SO THAT IT WILL BE LEGAL and WILL BE RECOGNIZE as an existing CHURCH in the country? Do he knows that churches who does not registered in the government, in using common sense, is illegal? Like when you were born, would the government RECOGNIZE you as a Filipino with rights if your parents didn’t registered you or you don’t have any BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Why is it ridiculous to proclaim another church WHEN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH FALLEN TO APOSTASY?

He said…

“Since there could be ONLY ONE CHURCH legitimately, rightfully and historically recognized by distinguished historians there could be NO two Churches existing. The solution? He, by his own authority despised the ORIGINAL and HAILED his own founded church.”

There is only one church established by Christ, therefore only one TRUE CHURCH, and the evidence is in the teaching not by the presence. Again, and again, I will repeat, The Church of Christ in the first century is the church established by Christ, that became Catholic Church by changing its name and A LOT IN THE CHURCH, when it falls in APOSTASY(falling away from the true gospel), common sense, it is not anymore the Christ’s Church… So, it is need for someone who became an instrument of God to continue the WORK OF SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST‘S CHURCH.

He then again quotes and misinterprets the Pasugo, he gave some verses about the commandment of god not to worship idols and verses that says God also commanded to make images. Yes, BUT NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED OR MAKE ANY ACT OF WORSHIP!!! He also have a link why Catholics have images on the church and the “commandment” to catholics about the images/statues which contradicts by having ACTS OF WORSHIP. He explained the use of statues, and saying the saints are Christian Heroes so they give them celebrations. He also has FIGURES, (created estimation) about "Who believes and not".

Then he continued…

“Getting straight FACT from these figures, there are more people who believed that there is a right place for Christian Heroes in our Churches. That’s because they didn’t die in vain.”

GETTING STRAIGHT FACTS? Ok. If it is FACTS, then SHOW ME THE LINK WHERE YOU TAKE THOSE INFORMATIONS! I CHALLENGED YOU! I NEED THE LINK IMMEDIATELY or else it is CLEAR under the sun that you ONLY CREATE SUCH THINGS! One of the lies he created! Tsk. Tsk.

He explained that Catholic Heroes should be on the Church, he give a link why do Catholics pray for the saints, and praises them.

He said:

“I am sure, even the most notorious Iglesia ni Cristo believer still believs that the Blessed Virgin Mary, the mother of our Lord is worthy of our respects.

[Read the LIVES of the SAINTS and tell me why we should not respect them?]”

REALLY, OKAY IF THAT IS TRUE, GIVE ME THE LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE OKAY?

Why would we believe that Mary, mother of Christ not “MOTHER OF GOD” is worthy on Catholic’s respects? What we believe, for sure, is that when Mary is still alive maybe she will go and attack the Pope in Rome for giving ACTS OF WORSHIP to her, having DEVOTION to her, and recognizing her as a “MOTHER OF GOD-MAN” and a mediator to God especially our Lord Jesus Christ is the only MEDIATOR of us to GOD!

LETS BE BIBLICAL!^_^ And

FYI: We do not say that those people SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED, OHOH, very poor in understandings, I really pity Catholic Defenders WORLDWIDE for having such thinking! What we oppose is the images/statues in your churches, and giving them ACTS OF WORSHIP THAT’S ALL!

He even post the picture of the “letter” of Bro. Felix to members in the time of Japanese Occupation, as in their understanding, Bro. Felix LEAVED the church in that time as they accuse he’s being coward… I had answered that ACCUSATION already on my blog and just click the link.

In the last part of his post, he said:

“So the Iglesia ni Cristo has no reason why should they offer flowers or candles or much respect to Felix Manalo for he died just like any other ordinary person. The only difference is that he made himself Lord over his church, and his children as heir to his corporation sole.

[Important: Had anyone of the Iglesia ni Cristo members knew where the children of the Manalos are studying? And how they’re living? What lifestyles do they have?]

The saints washed their garments in the blood of the Lamb. During their lifetime, God listened to their prayers on behalf of the suffering humanity, how much more now that they have shared in the vision of God's glory?

Felix Manalo have NONE of those virtues. Therefore his image in Central is an abomination image unworthy of our reverence.”

There is a BIG REASON why we should give him respect, and even build a statue as others malign it, for Bro. Felix is God’s instrument for the work OF SALVATION CONTINUES… He is the reason why we are necessary in attaining the salvation and making it to the promised kingdom of God. Even though there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of detractors, who at his time persecutes the church A LOT, every now and then, still the church is there and forwarding in more glorious achievements! And can you give me ANY EVIDENCE THAT HE MADE HIMSELF LORD OVER THE CHURCH? HUH? Even did we recognize him AS A LORD??? I will WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER!

Before I End this, I WILL JUST MAKE A CHALLENGE TO YOU, THIS CHALLENGE is what I ASKED to you SEVERAL MONTHS AGO in my post about YOU!

I will just post the question again, especially for you Mr. Er Vasol (Catholicdefender2000)!

Show the list of the teachings/doctrines/practices/dogmas of the CC with the date where it all began and the creator or the inventor of the teaching or whatsoever it is called! And let see if those can be called "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS"!!!! Ok? ^_^

AND IF you cannot answer this, ONE MORE POST OF YOURS “ANSWERING/QUOTING” MY POST HERE, I WILL THEN BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRULY “GAY” (as what Brad Conrad exposed) COWARD CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES!



rules on answering the challenge:



* It should be DIRECTLY answered.

* It is not expected for you to have me a counter challenge, or asking me of something.

* Saying accusations and etc. are prohibited.



Goodluck! But if you cannot stand for this, its ok. But NEVER EVER again "answer/quote" my posts on my blog, because it only shows how jealous you are in the INC. I pity you.

Catholicdefender2000's deception

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Here we go again, Mr. Catholicdefender2000, owner of the blog In defense of the Church, quoted my post here entitled, “Truth or Myth? There is a female pope!”. Here is what he said in his post on his blog. Click the link.

I will just quote some of the info. In his posts.

He said on his introduction:

“an Iglesia ni Cristo member by the name "readme"”

Here you can see he contradicts himself, making to a point he shows that he create LIES, and DECEPTION so that he will have +points to me, making other people have a different thought about me. I just wonder what is the truth, because most of the times he addressed me as a MINISTER, and now a member? Tsk. Tsk.

Lets proceed..

He said:

“On my part, I was MORE surprised than Mr. readme to see such a MYTH being OFFICIALLY circulated in its Magazine and IS still believed among members of this cult to this day.”

It is officially a myth with the eyes of the CATHOLICS like you, for whatever the popes/authorities in your church said, is what believed by the CATHOLICS (whose most members are IGNORANT in their faith) and im not surprised. The author only quoted the book “The people’s Almanac” by David and Irving. So, if you have a problem regarding that, please argue with the authors of the book because for you they are “CIRCULATING A MYTH”! He also wants, in his post to the readers to believe that the INC members especially me, were 100% believe on it, what a lie! Did he really read what I post? Or he again CREATE LIES? Especially I frankly/(without any bias) said:

“We didnt know what exactly happened, so, even i, i cannot confirm if it is really happened. maybe? maybe not.”

And I also said:

“Well then, if i believe…”

So, where in my statements that I said I am fully BELIEVED that the story of “pope joan” is truth not a myth? HUH? MR. LIAR??

He further says:

“It's because MANY anti-Catholic and anti-Pope cults like YOURS believed in myths OFFICIALLY PUBLISH and CIRCULATE the same lie to its members. So now that LIE is PERPETUATED in YOUR religion. ”

I challenged you deceiver, where is your evidence, ANY RESOURCES that says MEMBERS OF THE INC 100% believes even I, in the STORY OF POPE JOAN? CAN YOU GIVE ME PLEASE?^_^

He then explains why it is considered as a myth, he quotes with praises the CATHOLIC encyclopedia and he showed the full context about on what I had quoted.

Lets continue...

He said:

“So even how much Catholic priests hide their wrongdoings, God always makes a way to expose their evil wrongdoings so that they may not harm his Body, the Church.

And many other schismatic groups and individuals (like Felix Manalo) left the Church for Christ WILL NEVER allow the gates of hell to prevail.

For according to his solemn PROMISE that "the gates of hell WILL NEVER prevail against [his Church]". (Mt. 16:18), so everyone doing something evil AGAINST the Church will be exposed so that the Light of Christ may shine. Hell WILL NOT prevail against HIS CHURCH no matter how much you tried!”

Im just so happy that a catholic defender admits that some of the priests REALLY EMBARRASS the CATHOLIC CHURCH! It is the church who produced them right? So, is it impossible for the church to produce more EVILS? If the church does not tolerate or even hide such things to protect the image of the church, why then it takes some 50 years for it to be REVEALED? WHY? WHY? WHY?

It is so impossible for there are billions (as what they proudly claimed) Catholics, or lets say if you are a victim of a priest, there is a thousands of co-members in a chapel for the you to tell what happened, even just a sign that you were abused so that it can be immediately report it to the authority.

(Like in the INC, even you were a minister or high rank official in the church, if a member saw you doing bad things it is reported to the district office. The members and other would not be like “bulag-bulagan” if you are in the wrong doings, they will not wait several YEARS to report you to the district or main office. For the church do not TOLERATE members in a non-christian living that’s why there is expulsion in the church.)

Bro. Manalo and other former catholicssssss (many “s” because there are millions who leaved the catholic church^_^) because they found out that the CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES FALSE DOCTRINES, and MAN-MADE DOCTRINES, why Catholics would hesitate to leave the church if they discover that the church teaches members to VIOLATE GOD’S COMMANDMENTS??

In the verse you said, it is the GATES OF HADES, the NETHERWORLD, HELL, the POWER OF DEATH (“KAMATAYAN!”) will not prevail the CHURCH. Not the “evil things” you said. Persecution does not prevail the church, but the APOSTASY! He is not a boy anymore if he already CHANGED his gender. Christ’s church could never be the church built by Christ if it gone to a BIG CHANGES, especially the important thing, the words of God CHANGES!

Take note, changes is different from DEVELOPMENTS!

He then again and again, if he has a post about the INC, he always join the topic about Bro. Felix and Rosita Trillanes, saying that Bro. Felix is a rapist, a “rapist” that is not been JAILED for his CHARGES he had DONE?^_^

Then he continued…

“No matter how you HIDE your teachings from the PUBLIC, the truth will always prevail. And since you said it perfectly, that "THERE IS NO SECRET THAT WILL NOT BE REVEALED" what you hide from public is now being exposed by members of your own who defected and now turning against your own founder and your own church.”

In what SENSE does the INC HIDE ITS TEACHINGS??? Or another invented accusations of catholic defenders and ADD members right? Is it called “HIDING” if only the INC doesn’t use the web in EVANGELIZATION? What the? ANOTHER IGNORANT CATHOLIC?

Another question, is it called to be a “secret” if it is not KNOWN BY THE PUBLIC? For example, there is a chapel to be repainted, do the INC need to pay for an advertisement on t.v and newspapers for the public to KNOW so that it will not categorize as being SECRET? What the? I know what you think, it is about the former INCs turned ADDs who “exposed” some of the issues and intrigues from its members? You know, if it is INTENTIONALLY hidden by the Church to protect its image, why then those members who done wrong being EXPELLED in the church without KNOWING BY THE MOST PUBLIC??

Wait, What do you mean by: “and now turning against your own founder ”. Our founder, the founder of our church is no less than our Lord Jesus Christ, it is by the teachings and not by history, because the history was that the Catholic Church apostatized by having man-made doctrines and evil commandments.

In the last part of his post, he quoted Amazon.com for the support about story of Pope Joan being a myth. He says:

“I am sure readme loves THESE to be published officially in their Pasugo for the next generations of Iglesia ni Cristo members to believe.

TRUTH or MYTH? Officially, your Iglesia ni Cristo believed in it!”

Again, I would like to make a clarification to Mr. Catholicdefender2000’s deception and created lies, I DO NOT SAID that INC MEMBERS 100% believes in that story for it is only a novel of Ms.Donna, how about me? I can say that in the time I was writing my post about her, in the time of I am having a research about her, and now (especially this is the only time I know something about the story) I believe 50-50,

I would only believe that it Is really a myth if Catholicdefender2000 answers what Ms. Donna argues in what I had quoted on her novel! I NEED THE ANSWERS IMMEDIATELY! If this takes a week before Mr. Deceiver answers, I cannot accept it anymore for I know it is from the help of other apologists!^_^

Overall, I again wonder why does he didn’t show all of my posts when he “ANSWERS” it? He always quotes a bit then make lies and bias opinions about it. IS THIS REALLY CATHOLIC DEFENDERS PLAYS A GAME? WITH A VERY DIRTY TRICKS? TSK. TSK.

I really pity Mr. Catholicdefender2000, again and again I will say it, if you like to “answer” my posts, please make on a point that you tell simple TRUTHS ok? And please SHOW ALL OF THE CONTENT OF MY POST! It seems you just pick some of my statements that you can answer! And last, dont be BIAS. Poor!

How to answer indirectly?

Our instructor for this matter is this another Catholic Faith Defender, Isahel Alfonso, owner of the blog Catholic Eternal Truth.

I asked him the same question/challenge to other catholic defenders. I commented on him on his post about Immaculate Concepcion on September. I wait for his answer to my question/challenge, and i always visit his blog whenever i have time to go to internet shop. I was surprised he had created many posts but still what i asked to him is not yet answered.

I again commented on him saying ill still wait for his answer.

After several posts of him in his blog, only on October 9 he is able to answer my question, what the? I just wonder because he had made posts but he was not able to answer my simple question-challenge to him. I then think that maybe he had to consult other priets/catholic defenders on how he will answer what i asked to him.^_^

Like what happened to my question-challenge to "Fr. Abe", i asked him in the month of April, but he said he didnt know anything about what i asked about him when i commented that i still wait for his answer, i think on the month of May only he had an answer to me.


See the styles of them? Seems similar^_^

The quoted one is my comment to him, and the other is his reply/answer to my question-challenge. A response on Anonymous readme, the title of his post.

[Hi there. I just find your blog here in web. i want to ask you for this matter, or lets say a challenge.]

Hello, Sure you can ask anything related to the Catholic Faith or even challenge our belief as long as you will reveal your identity. It is very strange to talk to unknown people.

[This is the challenge, what i want is only an answer from you. i will not expect you to challenge me or give side comments and etc. I will just see if you were different in any other catholic defender, if you have the right and deserve to have my respect^_^]

You already challenged me read what you typed, so I'm no longer going to issue a challenge to you whoever you are. Why? Am I asking for your respect?

["IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IDENTICAL, THE SAME WITH THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH REGARDING THE BELIEFS?" Prove it.]
Yes the Catholic Church and the 1st Century Church is fundamentally the same. Proofs? A lot and it's too many to mention but to give you an example the Divinity of Christ.

[I also want you to post some common doctrines of your church with the date it began and the author/s of it.]

Look whoever you are our doctrines are not like state laws that have authors. Our doctrines are found in Divine Revelation. Theologians simply expounds our doctrines and scrutinized if it is found in Divine Revelation.

[That's all. I expect you to be diff. in answering challenge, not by "opinions" and not by reversing or attacking me or my religion.]

We Catholics do not give answers basing on our personal "opinions" unlike Protestants and INC Ministers. By the way what is your religion? Is it founded by Jesus Christ?
[This is a man to man talk. so, stand for it. godbless.]

How can this be a man to man talk? I don't even know if you are a man or not. You are hiding your identity. Are you ashamed of yourself or your church?

Ive waited for so long for his answer, but this is the only answer i will get from him?^_^

Catholic Defenders always has this tactics, always asking to reveal the identity so that on this first part they will get ++points! Tsk Tsk. Even if i am a cat, what's the problem to that? As long as i can ask questions, is that a big deal? They always make this issue very big so that, as i said, they will get +points to the opponent!

About the respect, haha he again make it a big deal, tsk. I thought catholic defenders educated in high degree but when they defend, they always think to make of the +points. Very poor!

My question is very clear, "Post some doctrines of the CC with the author/s and dates it began", but what he had replied?

"Look whoever you are our doctrines are not like state laws that have authors. Our doctrines are found in Divine Revelation. Theologians simply expounds our doctrines and scrutinized if it is found in Divine Revelation."

he answer me by giving his opinion and making himself a liar by not telling the truth. For example, the tradition of Celebrating Christmas? Can you find it in the bible? or lets say a tradition can be found in the 1st century church? NO!

What is the truth? Christmas did not celebrated on Dec. 25 in the early days, books says it is only on 336 the Dec. 25 tradition is practiced.

So, HOW THEN IT BE THAT TRADITIONS/DOGMAS/DOCTRINES AND WHATEVER THEY CALL IT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH ARE FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME?

as what Mr. Alfonso said...


He also said that they not base their answers in their "OPINIONS", very funny, but If youre reading this Alfonso, DO YOU WANT EVIDENCES?^_^

Also accusing that INC ministers were the ones who do that. Again, very funny! (hehehe) If that so, can you give me any evidence? From the members? Even in the worship services and doctrinal lessons, do ministers preach by their OPINIONS?

Youre another deceiver and LIAR!

I said in the last part of my comment to him that this is a man to man talk, but what is his reply?

How can this be a man to man talk? I don't even know if you are a man or not. You are hiding your identity. Are you ashamed of yourself or your church?

In real life i think he is a joker! a very good joker because he always makes me laugh on his replies!^_^ Why will i say man to man talk if im a girl? I pity to them in their educational attainment, i better suggest to most catholic defenders to go back studying in elementary! And why would i reveal my identity? Especially others will take advantage to it? Am i a fool?^_^

Maybe others know their tactics. What are those? If they cannot answer to questions?

Asking to reveal the identity.
Reversing the facts.
Answering by opinions.
Being bias with anger when answering.

Id still ask this SAME question-challenge to Catholic Defenders, but i get answers INDIRECTLY and NONSENSE!

To others, you shall prepare for this, maybe ill be the one to ask you this SAME question-challenge!

CONCLUSION: CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS ARE COWARDS!

Truth or Myth? There is a female pope!

While reading old, very old pasugo issues^_^ ,

there was an article that caught my attention, in the latter part it says about that there is a female pope. It quoted the book The people's Almanac by David Wallenchinsky and Irving Wallace. I really dont know about this, but let i show what it contains, here it is:

Joan Anglicus (818-855)

Pope of Rome...
The Vatican has many secretes. Perhaps its most carefully guarded one throughout history is this: that for 2 years, 5months, and 4 days, between 853 and 855 A.D, the Pope was a woman.

Somewhere between Pope Leo IV (847-855) and Pope Benedict III (855-858), Joan, in the lifelong guise of a man, rose to the highest seat in Roman Catholic Church. She rule 2 1/2 years and would have ruled longer except that her true gender was exposed after a love affair that resulted in her giving birth to a boy during a public ceremony.
For 3 centuries, the Catholic Church has attempted to dismiss her as a myth, although over 150 church historians between the 13th and 17th centuries acknowledge her short reign...

Things were going well enough until in the 2nd year of her reign, she fell in love with her private chaimberlain, a blond youth of 20 named Florus. They became lovers, and to her horror, Joan found herself pregnant. She hoped to escape the Vatican for a period, to bear the child in secrecy and be rid of it, but circumstances kept her confined.

Then one day during a ceremonial procession from St. Peter's to the Lateran Palace, while she rode a horseback, she suffered the pangs of premature childbirth. The procession was halted. She was lifted from her horse and fell to the street and before the eyes of an astounded mob a premature infant was produced among the voluminous folds of the papal vestments.

The crowd, upon realizing that it was not a miracle but in fact a deception became enraged. Joan was tied to the tail of her horse, dragged through the streets of Rome and back to the spot where she has been exposed; there she was stoned to death.

Just today i make some researches about her, but in the blogs/sites ive been, some says it was a myth, some says it really happened. Here are the links, but it is better to make your own research about this!^_^

wikipedia
socyberty.com
popejoan.com

[Excerpted from the Author's Notes section of Pope Joan: A Novel by Donna Woolfolk Cross, with the author's permission.]

Pope Joan is one of the most fascinating, extraordinary characters in Western history -- and one of the least well known. osMt people have never heard of Joan the Pope, and those who have regard her story as legend.

Yet for hundreds of years -- up to the middle of the seventeenth century -- Joan’s papacy was universally known and accepted as truth. In the seventeenth century, the Catholic Church, under increasing attack from rising Protestantism, began a concerted effort to destroy the embarrassing historical records on Joan.

Hundreds of manuscripts and books were seized by the Vatican. Joan’s virtual disappearance from modern consciousness attests to the effectiveness of these measures. Today the Catholic Church offers two principal arguments against Joan’s papacy: the absence of any reference to her in contemporary documents, and the lack of a sufficient period of time for her papacy to have taken place between the end of the reign of her predecessor, Leo IV, and the beginning of the reign of her successor, Benedict III.

These arguments are not, however, conclusive. It is scarcely surprising that Joan does not appear in contemporary records, given the time and energy the Church has, by its own admission, devoted to expunging her from them. The fact that she lived in the ninth century, the darkest of the dark ages, would have made the job of obliterating her papacy easy. The ninth century was a time of widespread illiteracy, marked by an extraordinary dearth of record keeping.

Today, scholarly research into the period relies on scattered, incomplete, contradictory, and unreliable documents. There are no court records, land surveys, farming accounts, or diaries of daily life. Except for one questionable history, the Liber pontificalis (which scholars have called a "propagandist document"), there is no continuous record of the ninth-century Popes -- who they were, when the reigned, what they did.

Apart from the Liber pontificalis, scarcely a mention can be found of Joan’s successor, Pope Benedict III -- and he was not the target of an extermination campaign. Joan’s absence from contemporary church records is only to be expected. The Roman clergymen of the day, appalled by the great deception visited upon them, would have gone to great lengths to bury all written reports of the embarrassing episode. Indeed, they would have felt it their duty to do so.

Even the great theologian Alcuin was not above tampering with the truth; in one of his letters he admits destroying a report on Pope Leo III’s adultery and simony. One need only look to the recent examples of Nicaragua and El Salvador to see how a determined and well-coordinated state effort can make embarrassing evidence "disappear." It is only after the distancing effect of time that truth, kept alive by unquenchable popular report, gradually begins to emerge. And, indeed, there is no shortage of documentation for Joan’s papacy in later centuries.

Frederick Spanheim, the learned German historian who conducted and extensive study of the matter, cites no fewer than five hundred ancient manuscripts containing accounts of Joan’s papacy, including those of such acclaimed authors as Petrarch and Boccaccio. Today, the church position on Joan is that she was an invention of Protestant reformers eager to expose papist corruption.

Yet Joan’s story first appeared hundreds of years before Martin Luther was born. Most of her chroniclers were Catholics, often highly placed in the church hierarchy. Joan’s story was accepted even in official histories dedicated to Popes. Her statue stood undisputed alongside those of the other Popes in the Cathedral of Siena until 1601, when, by command of Pope Clement VIII, it suddenly "metamorphosed" into a bust of Pope Zacharias.

In 1276, after ordering a thorough search of the papal records, Pope John XX changed his title to John XXI in official recognition of Joan’s reign as Pope John VIII. Joan’s story was included in the official church guidebook to Rome used by pilgrims for over three hundred years. Another striking piece of historical evidence is found in the well-documented 1413 trial of Jan Hus for heresy. Hus was condemned for preaching the heretical doctrine that the Pope is fallible. In his defense Hus cited, during the trial, many examples of Popes who had sinned and committed crimes against the Church. To each of these charges his judges, all churchmen, replied in minute detail, denying Hus’s accusations and labeling them blasphemy.

Only one of Hus’s statements went unchallenged: "Many times have the Popes fallen into sin and error, for instance when Joan was elected Pope, who was a woman." No one of the 28 cardinals, four patriarchs, 30 metropolitans, 206 bishops, and 440 theologians present charged Hus with lying or blaspheming in this statement. There is also circumstantial evidence difficult to explain if there was never a female Pope. One example is the so-called chair exam, part of the medieval papal consecration ceremony for almost six hundred years. Each newly elected Pope after Joan sat on the sella stercoraria (literally, "dung seat"), pierced in the middle like a toilet, where his genitals were examined to give proof of his manhood.

Afterward the examiner solemnly informed the gathered people, "Mas nobis nominus est" -- "Our nominee is a man." Only then was the Pope handed the keys of St. Peter. This ceremony continued until the sixteenth century. Another interesting piece of circumstantial evidence is the "shunned street." The Patriarchium, the Pope’s residence and episcopal cathedral (now St. John Lateran) is located on the opposite side of Rome from St. Peter’s Basilica; papal processions therefore frequently traveled between them.

A quick perusal of any map of Rome will show that the Via Sacra (now the Via S. Giovanni) is by far the shortest and most direct route between these two locations -- and so in fact it was used for centuries (hence the name Via Sacra, or "sacred road"). This is the street on which Joan reportedly gave birth to her stillborn child. Soon afterward, papal processions deliberately began to turn aside from the Via Sacra.

As for the Church’s second argument, that there was not sufficient time between the papacies of Leo IV and Benedict III for Joan to have reigned -- this too is questionable. The Liber pontificalis is notoriously inaccurate with regard to the times of papal accessions and deaths; many of the dates cited are known to be wholly invented. Given the strong motivation of a contemporary chronicler to conceal Joan’s papacy, it would be no great surprise if the date of Leo’s death was moved forward from 853 to 855 -- through the time of Joan’s reported two-year reign -- in order to make it appear that Pope Leo was immediately succeeded by Pope Benedict III.
source: dreamscape.com

Im sure Catholic Officials, Catholics and etc will just laugh on this, for they believe what is the explanation of their popes/church itself in this issue that this is just a myth, making theirself bias and unprofessional. Like the first comment on this post, just to cover this shameful event, im not surprised.^_^

MY CONCLUSION:

On my researches, they say it is not true for they believe:

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"...because Leo IV died 17 July, 855, and immediately after his death Benedict III was elected by the clergy and people of Rome;..."

in short there is no place for her to reign, as what they say...

another is that she has no document files or proof of her existence, historians doesnt know about her and etc...


If it is not true that "Pope Joan" didnt existed,
why then many knows about this controversy?
If it is only an invented story, why then it is not make to end?
or the historians make a confirmation that a female pope did not exist?


Well then, if i believe that Joan Anglicus existed, bravo to the Vatican! Dont be surprised for there are many secrets in the Catholic Church! Dont be surprised if she didnt recognized as an official pope! If she really existed, and there is denial, it only means that the Vatican hide and cover the history about her, maybe change what really happened and make their own stories so that this happenings will treat by people only as a legend or myth!

If "Pope Joan" really existed, why then Catholic Church deny her?
Simple answer. The Catholic Church has its doctrine that says the pope is infallible! And lets say in the book of Donna Woolfolk Cross is true that other popes commit sin, and they destroy the reports about them, DONT BE SURPRISED! It is their tactic so that they will not loose their members in the lie that the Popes are holy, infallible and does not make errors!

I also look the list of popes in wikipedia and i did not find any Joan Anglicus/John Anglicus, but it doesnt mean that she really did not existed!

Catholic Church is very powerful, it is not impossible for them if they twist the historical happenings in the past, and if they command that that event of having a female pope in the church be erased. We didnt know what exactly happened, so, even i, i cannot confirm if it is really happened. maybe? maybe not.

The truth, there are many secrets in the Vatican and only showed after so many years, like the abuse cases of the priests, only just these days victims are all showing because Catholic Church covers the truth in the past so that shameful events will not occur, but sorry to the RCC,

THERE IS NO SECRET THAT WILL NOT BE REVEALED...

Church News: October 2010

This is a part of the 96th anniversary of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Church of Christ celebration. Giving birth to Europe Main office, and now the Western & Eastern Canada District.

Two new districts abroad!

The congregations in Canada have “leveled up”.

After being supervised by US-based district offices for many years, in God’s time, all 29 congregations within the Canadian border have recently been regrouped to form two new ecclesiastical districts.

Eastern Canada District

Bro. Eduardo V. Manalo, the executive minister, recently approved the establishment of the districts of Eastern Canada and Western Canada. These districts will now supervise the growing number of congregations in this vast northern part of America.

Comprising the greater part of the western Canada District are 15 congregations in the Canadian boroughs of Alberta and British Columbia which formerly under the supervision of the Pacific Northwest District.

Joining them in the new district are the congregations in Manitoba and Saskatchewan which used to be supervised by the Northern Midwest District.

Western Canada District

On the other side, the 12 congregations in the boroughs of Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick now compose the newly formed Eastern Canada District. All of the said congregations had been part of the Northeastern seaboard District, except for the Windsor GWS which also used to be under Northern Midwest District.

Bro. Paterno See, previously the district minister of Australia-Oceania, was appointed as the first district minister of Western Canada with Bro. Rolando Gaviola to assist him as the district secretary. The Eastern Canada District has Bro. Serreno, who assigned in Southern Califronia, in that same capacity, has Bro. Rolando Parto to assist him as the district secretary.

In the meantime, the Western Canada District Office is situated at the Church’s house of worship compound in Burnaby, British Columbia. The eastern Canada district, meanwhile, temporarily holds its office in the Church’s property in Scarborough.

“With this development, the Church is eyeing brighter prospects in the Church’s expansion not only in Canada but also all over the world.” says Bro. Isaias Samson Jr., secretary of Foreign Mission.

Pasugo Aug 2010 issue

Statues/Images in the INC

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As I always having a research about the INC, I notice that Catholic defenders criticize, malign, and give different meaning to the images/statues in the INC. Because they say the INC always attack them by having such statues/images in their church somehow they say they just venerate/adore/respect and whatever their explanations they maybe those but not worship it and trait it as another God. Then, they turn backs that truth to the INC and make some lies so that people would think that INC is the one who worship such images/statues, by the way, what’s their accusations? Here:

They say:

* we worship Bro. Felix Manalo/Bro. Erano Manalo as they were sometimes in the front cover of our pasugo magazine issues.

They wonder:

*why our ministers criticize Catholic Church for having images somehow we have pictures of our parents, friends and whatsoever.

*the remains of Bro. Erano Manalo is at the tabernacle.

*we have statue of Bro. Felix Manalo inside the INC Central complex

And many other!

That’s why I can now say that MOST CATHOLIC DEFENDERS in the PHILIPPINES ARE POOR THINKERS AND IN UNDERSTANDINGS! Tsk. Tsk. I pity them especially they are educated in high degree but in understandings, failed!

I didn’t eat the ice cream, why are you looking at me? Im saying the truth!

Wait a minute; this is my question, by looking at the pic. And the statement of the baby, will you believe him?^_^

Its like the Catholic Church, CONTRADICTING HERSELF! They say members or them, do not worship statues images but their act were not agreeing with what they believe. In short, What they SHOW is DIFFERENT to what they SAY!

So, what are the differences of the statues/images of the Catholic Church to the statues/images not only in the INC but also to other ordinary images/statues?

*We do not kneel to it.

*We do not bow down to it.

*We do not pray for it.

*We do not lit candles to it.

*We do not treat it as mediators to God.

*We do not wipe it with towel and believe that it will heal our diseases.

*We do not think it is miraculous.

*We do not make feast for it and offer foods or something.

And last,

*We do not WORSHIP IT or show any act of WORSHIP to it.

What is really the use of statues? For example, statue of Rizal? Is it true that its function is only for people to remember him? That he has contribution to the society and etc? So, the statue of Bro. Felix Manalo is not for the members worship it, EVIDENCE?

Okay. If only those lie makers or Catholic Defenders for short will see the statue of Bro. Manalo in the INC Complex, beside bible verse Rev. 7:2-3, it is also written there,

“Let us always remember the calling of the Messenger but never worship him and his image”

Engraved on the monument’s base, a reminder to all brethren!

About the remains of Bro. Erano Manalo at the tabernacle, lets just quote other people who have a common sense why it is temporarily in the said place.

“Contrary to what we expect, the temporary interment of the remains of Ka Erdy at the tabernacle (while his mausoleum is not yet finished) was devoid of the usual funeral ceremony…”

Celso Lagmay “Sentido Kumon” column, Balita, Sept. 10, 2009

What is the reason again? I will quote the author..

“the temporary interment of the remains of Ka Erdy at the tabernacle (while his mausoleum is not yet finished)…”

Everybody gets the point? Or do I need to repeat it again?^_^

Nobody knows when will a person die, and making a mausoleum is not just 1 or 2 days to be make. So, where would be the remains of Bro. Erano put if the mausoleum is not yet finished? Just everywhere? Huh? That’s why I think Bro. Eduardo just decided the remains be in the tabernacle TEMPORARY for the other brethren who wants to see it just go there and not in the chapel.

I know Catholic Defenders still cannot understand this, maybe we just understand them! For having low memory or maybe evil mind by making such lies^_^

By the way, what really was the teachings of God according to these bowing down, and making act of worship (even deny it and make other meaning of the word ‘worship’ so it not make it to a point and show that they really don’t worship those) and etc? Click on the links.

Idolatry
Make up images?

The result…

Catholic Defenders are failed again in their goal,

TO DECEIVE PEOPLE!

Why members advised not to be in clubs, bar and the like?

Im sure nonmembers always wondering why most members of the Church of Christ do not go to bar, clubs or lets say party places to have some FUN as members say it is strongly advised by the ministers/church administration as it is written in the bible.

I said “most” because I am not “plastic” person as maybe many will say, “Oh, my friend is an INC member and he always join me in clubs, bars and etc” or other may react “Huh? But I know some members of the INC goes on those places” and many more!

Because not all the members of the church were active or lets say do not do what the advices of the ministers also because of INFLUENCE. By whom? By friends, classmates, office mates and etc. who are not members!

FYI: There is nothing wrong going to such places; it is not illegal to go there. But what the Church Administration wants is to teach the brethren and lead them in the right way.

Another question of nonmembers that is related to the topic, “Why does the members of the church who are students not allowed to go on JS proms?” and “Why does the members forbidden to dance? What’s wrong in dancing?”…

Overall question of nonmembers maybe: “How could its members enjoy their life if there are so many “DON’TS” given by their Church Administration? Doesn’t they deserve it?”

Let us answer all of those questions!^_^

It is common knowledge that in those “PARTY PLACES”, unrestrained behavior is more likely the rule than the exception. Wild parties, amplified by boisterous merrymaking, heavy drinking, and dirty or indecent dancing, are the usual going-on therein, thus making those places very much conducive to revelry and self abandonment that often lead to severe consequences.

For their own safety and spiritual well being, members of the Church of Christ are strongly advised to stay away from those things.

(It is said to be “STRONGLY ADVISED” especially members were the ones still what way he/she will choose, the church admin. Were just guide and used as instrument of God to teach the people in a proper way of living or on a Christian life. People will malign the church admin. If they will forbid the members to do that, but because if it is the only way for the members take care their own salvation, the church admin. Will do that. But still, again, it is one’s decision if he/she will be take the INFLUENCE of others to him or he/she will obey and follow what are the teachings of God.)

As taught in Romans 13:13, it is stated:

“So behave properly, as people do in the day. Don’t go to wild parties or get drunk or be vulgar or indecent. Don’t quarrel or be jealous.” CEV

(There’s nothing wrong with dancing and the church doesn’t forbids that, but you can see the bible teaches us to BEHAVE PROPERLY and dont be indecent. In the matter of JS prom, the youth members were just advised not to go there because there is a part of the program where everyone dances by partner. To be frankly, when I was 4th year highschool I go to our JS prom because the ticket (as a project of ours) is like P250 or P300 and I think it will just be wasted if I will not come. But I only watch them, eat and go home early, that’s all, as I know what are the lesson taught by the ministers. After the eating time, the light went dark and some(by partner) dances in the center of the field and surely many will not notice if some of these (by partner) dances while kissing, so I then realize why us, the youth advised not to go to JS proms. That’s in the bible, “DON’T BE VULGAR AND/OR INDECENT” [tagalog: kalaswaan at kahalayan])

Christians who give in to “immoral ways” such as those who “get drunk, carry on at wild parties and do other evil things” face the danger of losing their salvation, for “no one who does these things will share in the blessings of God’s Kingdom”(Gal. 5:19-21)

Others may reason out that there’s no harm in going to those party places as long as the intention is just to have some fun without going beyond the limits. Still, the true Christians will rather be careful and “abstain from all appearances of evil” (I Thess. 5:22).

ITS BETTER TO MOVE FAR AWAY FROM THE PIT THAN

GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO FALL INTO IT.

(That’s why ministers strongly advised the members not to go to such places, because if you go there, you cannot promise to yourself for example you will just drunk just 2 shots and go home. There are lots of things happened in there, for exam. Here in the Philippines, there are prostitutes, heavy drinking, dirty/indecent dancing, others use drugs there like shabu and ecstasy! And sometimes trouble happened in bars, clubs and etc, and the worst, be killed/injured by some people there because of the effect of the liquors and drugs to them, they cannot anymore control their selves. And many more. So, you have then break the teachings of God, in short, you make sins that will lead you to the destruction of your own salvation!)

As Ephesians 4:27 says:

“Leave no [such] room or foothold for the devil—give no opportunity to him” (Amplified bible)

Youth indeed is the point in people’s lives when they can explore the world around, experience new things, and have fun. However, young people ought to understand that as they seek to enjoy every moment of their youth, they are accountable to God for all their actions:

“Young people, enjoy your youth. Be happy when you are still young. Do what you want to do, follow your heart’s desire. But remember that God is going to judge you for whatever you do” (Eccles. 11:9, TEV)

Fun is not a forbidden fruit—it’s the wrong, sinful idea of having fun that we should not consume ourselves with, lest we suffer the gravest consequence when the Judgment Day comes.

“Be careful”, says our Lord Jesus Christ, “If you aren’t your hearts will be loaded down with the worries of life. Then the day the Son of Man returns will close on you like a trap. You will not be expecting it.” (Luke 21:34, NIRV)

(And about “how could members enjoy if there is so many ‘don’ts’ in the church”, this is my answer, why would the church admin. Forbids or advised the members that we should not do this and that if it is not written in the BIBLE? Remember, the church is our guide and it teaches us to do good, or do the WILL OF GOD, not our OWN WILL because if that so, we will surely be fall in doing things that violates GOD’S COMMANDMENTS!

There is a Filipino saying ‘masarap talaga ang bawal’, but

how can you do GOD’S will if you are more on doing your OWN will?

YOUR own will doesn’t give you salvation, TAKE NOTE OF THAT! So, we should sacrifice our will and do GOD’S WILL because it is the way that will bring us SALVATION and into the PROMISED KINGDOM OF GOD!”)