Here is a classic video uploaded in youtube, the debate of Iglesia ni Cristo represented by Bro. Jose Ventilation and Bible Baptist Church represented by Mr. Salamatin held at Palawan, Philippines in Nov. 1995.
The topic were "Prove that Christ is the true God" for Mr. Salamatin and "Prove that Jesus Christ is a man and not God" for Bro. Ventilation.
See how the baptist minister wanted to "back out" on the last part of the debate...
Here is the video:
Thanks to Bro. Bonto for sharing the link!^^
talo naman yan e...
ReplyDeleteako po ay katoliko, nagsusuri po at naghahanap po ng tunay na daan patungo sa DIYOS
ReplyDeletemay katanungan lang po ako:
1. totoo po bang sugo ng Diyos si Mr. Felix Manalo? may patotoo po ba na kinausap ba sya ng anghel o gumawa ng himala na gaya ng mga tunay na sugo ng Diyos tulad nila abraham, moises, pablo at ibp.
tungkol po ito s mga sugo na pinakitaan ng anghel at gumawa ng himala hindi po ung himalang ginagawa ng dyablo.
2.si Mr. Felix Manalo po ba ay INC din at sino po ang nagbautismo s kanya, kasi po si juan bautista walang nagbautismo pero itinakda sya pra bautismuhan si Jesus.
3. kayo po ba talaga ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo o inangkin lang ni Mr. Felix Manalo ang pangalan na iyan?
4. paano po ba naging anghel si Mr. Felix Manalo?
pwede po bang paki email sa gh_ros01@yahoo.com ang sagot maraming salamat po!!!
Naipadala ko na po ang sagot ko sa email nyo. maraming salamat po.
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ReplyDeleteYou said:
Delete"the Church of Christ was not specify as Church of Christ or Inc"
You already admitted that there is "CHURCH OF CHRIST". It is the name of Christ's Church, not baptist church, catholic church, and etc... You should also better know the truth why CHURCH OF CHRIST is the name of CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH before you judge us. Baptist Church trace back its root from Protestantism, from Martin Luther, not to Jesus Christ.
I am not surprised why your church is named BAPTIST CHURCH, not of Christ.
like as i said bfore der s a church dat infact Jesus was build but not in a letter my friend, its d church of Christ was built,but what is dat Church name, ts not as d Church of Christ as u claim, it s a group of people who baptized with John d Baptist ,dat why Jesus follow dat authority cmes frm heaven and not frm men (Matthew 3:13-17) as u study our History dr s Trail of Blood ,d mark of our faith. our forefathers fought for ds, i like u to b truly save friend! den f Works is essensial for Salvation .what s d essence of d death of Christ 4? do u mean its vain or just lyk a game, ts no more Grace or Gift! dnt b angry at me,i just want u to b save
ReplyDeletePatrick Botalon,
ReplyDeleteI have questions to you:
1. How many do you think Baptist denominations now exist in the world?
(Good luck if you can give the exact figure...because I think it is still counting?....)
2. What are the reasons for their divisions?
Truth always prevail...maraming humahamon sa panahon ng sugo dahil akala nila "mangmang" ang Ka. Felix Y. Manalo pero nanaig ba sila? Tapos SA PANAHON NATIN ang iba ang sasabihin, "naku, mga abogado ang mga yan...", ANO BA TALAGA? Hanggang panunuligsa na lang kayo pero pag harap-harapan, TAKOT KAYO for simple reason: YOU WILL BE UNMASKED NA MGA BULAAN ANG MGA TAGAPANGARAL NINYO.
INC is NEVER BEEN (and will never be!) afraid of public debate following the steps of the Apostles defending the true faith. If we accept a public debate challenge, winning the battle is of God but the main objective is to enlighten the opponent and all the truth-searching audience/public that thru such debate they may call also in the true Church, the Church of Christ.
--Bee
naniniwala ba kayo kay jesus christ bilang panginoon? kung hindi bakit? kapag oo why?
DeleteSagot: Opo.
DeleteBakit? Eto po ang dahilan:
"Pakatalastasin nga ng buong angkan ni Israel, na ginawa ng Dios na Panginoon at Cristo itong si Jesus na inyong ipinako sa krus." - Gawa 2:35, ADB (1905)
--Bee
i just want to get ur cp no.personally to get each other commentary! is ds o.k 2 u? den if u r d true church,let God gves u wisdom,not d wisdom of ds world for ds s foolshnes unto God, lets talk about the wisdom dat comes frm God,as Apostles of Christ did received frm Christ hmself. Do u agree. Let us not do some debate for ds s a Sin according to Romans 1:28-32 i dont want to debate i just. want to gv u an exct detail of d truth, dnt just stick on. what u believe nw, ur soul wl suffer into eternal Hell --everlasting fire when u r wrng on what ur believng nw! den if im wrng u hv a choice to choose! ds s my no. 09103178384
ReplyDeletePatrick Botalon,
DeleteJust please answer my questions directly. Because I am really really dying to know if you can give me the currrent exact figures of DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS of Baptist Churches. And, what do you think are the reasons for their divisions? Then, you claim that Baptists received "wisdom from God"? Because that is my problem reading your claim, you want to share your so-called truth yet this "truth of yours" or this "wisdom of yours" has kept causing schisms among you. What could be the reasons for this? Answer that rather than making a speech. I want to read it directly from you.
And, may I add, we are not angry at you...don't flatter yourself. Cut that drama. Just go straight to the point because until now I have not heard any "truth" coming out directly from you mouth...but all these annoying melodramas.
So, what is this TRUTH? and please, use the Bible not your own useless philosophies which a Baptist enjoys. FYI, I also used to attend Baptist BS before. In fact, the first sect I studied when I started to doubt my faith in Catholicism. That is to give you an idea that I am not ignorant about the different and conflicting beliefs of Baptists.
So, bring it on!
--Bee
if im not mistaken,ako ung unang nagtanng sau ,and dont u worry i wl answer ur question after u answer mine! what baptism did Christ accepted? and the Baptism of John,was it frm men or from heaven?, from state authority or frm heaven's authority? and dont u ever use tagalog or any other book,use KJbible! den if u wl going to study personaly those follower of Christ and even d Apostles and those who live after them and d martyrdom of Christ wer Baptized of one authority. The Baptism of John The Baptist, and we know dat d authority were gven to John before Christ. Therefore those who believe n Christ wer baptize in Acts 2:41, take note those who already received His word, it means who already saved and afterward baptized, Jesus Christ hmself were baptized wth John the Baptist,if we go on frther study in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 what apostle paul did also accept is the Gospel of Salvation. regarding by works to obtain salvation,actualy it s not essential 4 salvation as apostle paul said n acts 11, its should not a dead faith as apostle james said n d book of james, he stated about on what u believe it should b manifest n d world to seen by men in order for them to believed,he talking about testimony, "in the form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.
ReplyDeleteHi there Patrick,
DeleteThanks for your quick reply. Hope ur doing fine today.
>>if im not mistaken,ako ung unang nagtanng sau ,and dont u worry i wl answer ur question after u answer mine!
Which one? Please ask me again if you don’t mind.
>> what baptism did Christ accepted? and the Baptism of John,was it frm men or from heaven?, from state authority or frm heaven's authority? and dont u ever use tagalog or any other book,use KJbible!
Why are you asking me of these things? It is you who boastfully claimed that you received a wisdom from God yet what you have done so far is just making a speech without any proofs that indeed the Baptist Church or better to say Baptist Churches ARE THE TRUE CHURCHES! So tell me this “wisdom of yours that according to you, you have received from God”. Share it with us if you don’t mind. Of course, should be supported by the Bible and let us examine if indeed this wisdom of yours come from God. But I am sure whatever you have in store are already tackled in this blog.
>> den if u wl going to study personaly those follower of Christ and even d Apostles and those who live after them and d martyrdom of Christ wer Baptized of one authority.
Dear, I don’t study the Bible “personally” because I am not a messenger. Only the true messenger can teach the pure gospel of God (Romans 10:15). That is the problem with Baptists, in their gatherings, they read one or two verses and all the attendees give their own personal interpretations/understandings of the passages. The aftermath, they give glory to their WORLDLY WISDOM (rather than arriving to the truth and glorify God with it). That is not an accusation, I DID IT BEFORE.
>>The Baptism of John The Baptist, and we know dat d authority were gven to John before Christ.
Who baptized John? Further, how did John get such authority? Did he have proof? You have the wisdom right? So, please tell me.
>>Therefore those who believe n Christ wer baptize in Acts 2:41, take note those who already received His word, it means who already saved and afterward baptized,
Where did they do the baptism? To where they are belong to when they are baptized? In other words, Who are those considered truly baptized IN CHRIST?
>> Jesus Christ hmself were baptized wth John the Baptist,
Where in the Bible can you read this?
>>if we go on frther study in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 what apostle paul did also accept is the Gospel of Salvation. regarding by works to obtain salvation,actualy it s not essential 4 salvation as apostle paul said n acts 11, its should not a dead faith as apostle james said n d book of james, he stated about on what u believe it should b manifest n d world to seen by men in order for them to believed,he talking about testimony, "in the form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.
1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 says, “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,”
Please enlighten me, what is the connection of the above passage to our topic – baptism? The above passage is all about HOLDING FIRMLY TO THE TRUTH which I am sorry to say Baptists don’t have otherwise they would not be divided.
Awaiting your reply.
--Bee
Patrick,
ReplyDeleteThere you are again..making speech without proving your "KAHALALAN". Ayan, tinagalog ko na dahil paulit-ulit ka pero hindi ka makapabibigay ng pruwebe mula sa Bibliya na kayo nga ang mga pinili sa mga huling araw na eto. IYAN ANG PATUNAYAN MO from the Bible. You cannot even read in the Bible the name of your Church then you claim to be the true one? Sa pangalan pa lang bagsak na kayo, sa TURO pa kaya? Think.
--Bee
as i have told you before but you hv notbelieved on what d scripture has said. the baptism of john is from heaven's authority, and how can u believe me when ur not holding the bible and not going to study it, if im going to gv u some verse how cn u believe unless u hv d bible. d Holy spirit of God wl gvs u wisdom as i have, Matt.chapter 3, Jesus was in ds verse baptized wth John .The authority was gven to John before in Isaiah 40:3 and its fulfilled n Matthew 3:1-3, d Baptist were called believer or bible believer ,desciples before they were called Christians in Antioch. They gathered together reading the scriptures. my friend use d Bible f u want to enlighten ur mind, actually what i asked. u before was Christ question among the chief priest and elders who mocking and tempting him.Mark 11 whole chapter for frther study. If u wl understand y d Baptist also hv a bible is dat you might able to know the truth by the leading of d Holy Spirit ,He wl tell you all the truth as Jesus gave to the Apostles and they begun to do great miracles including speaking odn tongues, ds need to be done because d scripture must need to complete tl to d last Apostle John in Revelation. ds was d law and it should be read by every people by guiding them by the Holy Spirit of God, we dont need any prophet or Apostle now like in d Old testament because when Chris glorified he gave us d Holy Spirit to interpret hs word, and ds is d work of d Holy Spirit. if u have a KJBible or AV lets talk about more and be saved. u hv mentioned dat u attended a Baptist BS before but i think untl nw u did not understand clearly what the Grace of God can do to u. ds would b my last comment ,if u have mre question lets talk about it personally ,i gv u my no. if u r really interested about on salvation's matter and to be burned in eternal lake of fire. text me and i wl wling to reply. May God bless u!
ReplyDeletePatrick,
ReplyDeleteIt is you who is not holding a Bible because all you do is just MAKING A SPEECH! (Kulit)
Why am I sure that you are not holding a Bible, because YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS CLEARLY FROM THE BIBLE. Itagalog ko kaya para mas maintindihan mo:
1. SAAN GINAGAWA ANG BAUTISMO?
2. SAAN NAKAPALOOB ANG MGA NABAUTISMUHAN.
SAGUTIN MO YAN MULA SA BIBLIYA.
3. KAHIT SINU-SINO LANG BA ANG MAY KARAPATANG GUMAWA NG BANAL NA BAUTISMO?
Hayan, may dagdag pa na isa para naman ganahan kang sumagot...WITH VERSES FROM THE BIBLE ha...hindi yong para kang sirang plaka paulit-ulit na puro sarili mong paliwanag ang ginagawa. Tapos parang nagmamalaki ka na MAY HAWAK KANG BIBLIYA? Saan? E, puro sarili mong paliwanang ang nababasa ko eh...BAPTISTA KA NGA. Mahilig na mahilig kayo sa PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS.
Christ was baptized by John not WITH John, that's why I was asking you: WHO BAPTIZED JOHN? Kasi lumalabas na para sa iyo pati si John ay NAGPABAUTISMO. Read your post all over again, parang IKAW ANG HINDI NAKAKAINTINDI SA PINO-POST MO dear :)
Naniniwala ka palang kailangan ng PATOTOO ng Bibliya to prove one's elect. So you cited John's case, right? E kayo, MAY PATOTOO BA KAYO SA BIBILYA? Iyan ang tanong ko na INIIWASAN MO. Apostle Paul also had, and so our Lord Jesus Christ. In this blog, we have proven so many times that Bro. Felix Y. Manalo also have. HOW ABOUT YOU? Do you have? ANSWER THAT.
Mas maganda kung pumunta ka sa pinakamalapit na Lokal ng INC sa lugar niyo and give INC a chance. That's what I did. Stop being stubborn before it's too late. ALAM KO NA ANG ARAL NIO, ano pa ang ituturo mo sa akin? Kaya nga ako umalis diyan dahil HINDI TOTOO ANG ARAL NA ITINATAGUYOD NG BAPTIST, tantamount to say that it is a FALSE RELIGION. Kaya nga kayo nagkakawatak-watak because your leaders have their OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE which is NOT SUPRISING dahil HINDI NAMAN SILA MGA SINUGO.
Contrary to you belief, the Bible is not an open book to anyone. Only those who are sent (or authorized by God) can preach the Gospel of the Lord (Romans 10:15).
Pag sumagot ka uli na para akong nagbabasa ng essay, don't wonder if I ignore you at once.
Kasi,walang kapupuntahan ang usapan natin.
--Bee
excuse po pwedeng makisingit kasi ako po nagbabasa ng biblia., sinabi na nga po ni patrick sa taas., The authority was gven to John before in Isaiah 40:3 sino ba nag bibigay ng authority di ba ang makapangayarihan sa lahat? pero ganun talaga., hindi lahat nakakaintindi nga may sinasabi na slow learner.,
DeleteMark Deby,
DeleteKung hindi po kayo biased magbasa, dapat po sinundan nio nang maayos ang sagutan namin ni Patrick. Hindi naman question rito ang "authority" na ibinigay ng Diyos kay Juan dahil NAKASULAT po. Basahin nio po uli ang tanong ko (NA HINDI NIYA po MASAGOT). SINO ANG NAGBIGAY NG KARAPATAN (o authority) sa Baptist (o sa mga pangkatin ng mga Baptists) para mangaral? Patunayan nila mula sa BIBLIYA at hindi po 'yong idinadaan sa KUWENTO para iwasan lang ang tanong - DAHIL WALA NAMAN TALAGA SILANG MAIPAPAKITA.
Sabi nio po, "slow learner". Ang Bibliya po ay hindi isang textbook na bukas sa SINUMANG GUSTONG pag-aralan eto. Sapagkat may nangangahas na pag-aralan eto ngunit kailanman ay hindi nakararating sa katotohanan:
“Na laging nagsisipagaral, at kailan pa man ay hindi nakararating sa pagkaalam ng katotohanan.” ~ 2 Timoteo 3:7
Ang unawa sa Bibliya ay ibinigay lamang sa tunay na sugo (Roman 10:15).
Kaya ang mga aral na tinanggap namin ay hindi ayon sa kaalaman na gaya ng inyong kaalaman, sapagkat ang aral na tinanggap namin ay mula sa tunay na sugo.
“At sinabi niya, Sa inyo'y ipinagkaloob ang mangakaalam ng mga hiwaga ng kaharian ng Dios: datapuwa't sa mga iba'y sa mga talinghaga; upang kung magsitingin ay huwag silang mangakakita, at mangakarinig ay huwag silang mangakaunawa.” ~
Lucas 8:10.
Dahil nagmamalaki po kayo na "fast learner" kayo, kayo na lang po ang sumagot sa tanong ko. Sino ang nagbigay ng karapatan sa mga Baptist para mangaral? Kung sasabihin mong mula sa Diyos (na Siya ring nagbigay ng karapatan kay Juan para mangaral), SAAN MABABASA SA BIBLIYA. Patunayan nio po MULA SA BIBLIYA at hindi po sa pagkukuwento.
-Bee
To patrick batalon and Bro. Bee weezer,
ReplyDeletepasensya na po pinagbibigay alam ko lang na hindi ko na po ipupublish yung mga susunod nyong comment sa article na ito. salamat po