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October 4, 2013
August 5, 2013
Diyos ba ang nahayag sa laman ayon sa I Tim. 3:16?
Tignan nga natin ang mga sinisipi nilang bible translations:
King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
King James 2000 Bible
And without doubt great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
American King James Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Darby Bible Translation
And confessedly the mystery of piety is great. God has been manifested in flesh, has been justified in the Spirit, has appeared to angels, has been preached among the nations, has been believed on in the world, has been received up in glory.
Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
World English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.
Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
Ang tanong naman eh, TAMA BA ang kanilang PAGKAKASALIN na ANG DIYOS ang NAHAYAG SA LAMAN?
Kahit common sense lang ang ating pagaganahin, kung nabasa nating maigi ang bibliya, hindi naman ang Diyos ang nahayag sa laman kundi ang kaniyang anak na si KRISTO. Magkaiba kasi ang Diyos kay Kristo, yung Diyos yung may anak, si Kristo naman ang may AMA na kaniyang Diyos at ating Diyos.
Ang Diyos ay hindi TAO (may laman at buto):
"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19
"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret." 1 Samuel 15:29
"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath." Hosea 11:9
Ang Diyos ay ESPIRITO (walang laman at buto):
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Ang sabi naman ni Kristo siyay hindi ESPIRITO, meron siyang laman at buto kaya siya ay TAO:
"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Luke 24:39
Eh sino ba talaga ang nahayag sa laman, ang DIYOS o si KRISTO?
Sasabihin naman ng ilan, eh Diyos naman si Kristo kaya yung "God" doon eh si Kristo ang tinutukoy hindi ang Diyos Ama.
Eh hindi nga pupuwedeng maging si Kristo ang "God" doon dahil si Kristo ay TAO at ang Ama ang tunay na Diyos ayon sa bibliya.
Kaya nga sa maraming bible translation ay hindi naman "God" ang pagkakasalin doon:
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.
English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!
NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.
American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.
English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.
Maliwanag na maliwanag, hindi po ang Diyos ang nahayag sa laman ayon sa I Tim. 3:16 kahit sa tagalog bible pa tayo tumingin:
"At walang pagtatalo, dakila ang hiwaga ng kabanalan; Yaong nahayag sa laman, Pinapaging-banal sa espiritu, Nakita ng mga anghel, Ipinangaral sa mga bansa, Sinampalatayanan sa sanglibutan, Tinanggap sa itaas sa kaluwalhatian." worldplanet.org
"Hindi maikakaila na napakadakila ng hiwaga ng ating relihiyon: Siya'y nahayag nang maging tao, pinatunayang matuwid ng Espiritu, at nakita ng mga anghel. Ipinangaral sa mga Hentil, pinaniwalaan ng lahat, at itinaas sa kalangitan." BMBB
Ito ang sabi ng ilang eksperto sa bibliya:
“By the pronoun He with which the hymn opens, is to be understood, Christ. The Greek reading which underlies the AV translation ‘GOD’ is almost certainly wrong…” Bruce, F.F., General edition: The International Bible Commentary. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1986.
“3:16 The earliest Greek texts have “He” rather than “GOD”. The six phrases which follow appear to be a quotation from an early Christian hymn…” Criswell, W.A., Ph.D., ed. The Criswell Study bible, Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Pubs., 1979
“… The best manuscripts read, ‘Who’, referring to Christ. He was justified by the way the Spirit worked in him.” The Westminister Study Edition of the holy Bible. Philadelphia: The westminister press, 1968
“The context makes it plain that Paul is referring to Christ when he says: He who was manifest in the flesh (ASV)… All the leading words occur elsewhere in Paul’s writings. Flesh. Paul frequently emphasizes the humanity of Christ by the use of his word (Rom. 1:3; 8:3; 9:5, Eph 5:15, Col. 1:22, Heb. 5:7; 10:20)…” Pfeiffer, Charles F. and Everette F. Harrison, eds. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1990
May 6, 2013
Is Christ the "God" who is overall in Romans 9:5?
This is what different bible translations says:
New International Version (©2011)
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
English Standard Version (©2001)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Messiah, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.
International Standard Version (©2012)
To the Israelis belong the patriarchs, and from them, the Messiah descended, who is God over all, the one who is forever blessed. Amen.
NET Bible (©2006)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, by human descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And the Patriarchs; and from them The Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is The God Who is over all, to Whom are praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities, amen.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The Messiah is descended from their ancestors according to his human nature. The Messiah is God over everything, forever blessed. Amen.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
American King James Version
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
American Standard Version
whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Darby Bible Translation
whose are the fathers; and of whom, as according to flesh, is the Christ, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
English Revised Version
whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Webster's Bible Translation
Whose are the fathers, and from whom according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Weymouth New Testament
To them the Patriarchs belong, and from them in respect of His human lineage came the Christ, who is exalted above all, God blessed throughout the Ages. Amen.
World English Bible
of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen.
Young's Literal Translation
whose are the fathers, and of whom is the Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed to the ages. Amen.
source: bible.cc
The question is, are those bible translations that refer to Christ as the "GOD" who is over all that should be blessed forever, CORRECT?
If we will accept the understanding that it is Christ who is the "GOD" based on this verse, doesnt it CONTRADICT other verses?
Does Apostle Paul really recognize Christ as GOD?
The GOD of Apostle Paul
He said:
"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." I Cor. 8:6
Apostle Paul BELIEVE that the ONE GOD of his and us is but the FATHER.
He BELIEVE that there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR of God and men who is Jesus Christ, A HUMAN:
"There is one God. There is also one mediator between God and human beings—a human, the Messiah Jesus." I Tim. 2:5
If the FATHER is our ONE GOD, and Christ, as what Apostle Paul said is a human, COULD HE BE A GOD ALSO? If that will be the case, then did Apostle Paul lie because he said that FOR US there is but ONE GOD, the FATHER? How can be a "GOD" be a mediator between his self and human beings?
There are more verses in the bible that shows that Apostle Paul recognize ONE GOD, and that is the FATHER.
Is Christ the "GOD" who is OVERALL that should be BLESSED?
Let us ask Apostle Paul, Good day Apostle Paul, i will just ask you something, do you really BELIEVE that it is Jesus Christ, the son of God, is the GOD who is OVER ALL?
This is what Apostle Paul answered:
"one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Eph. 4:6
Apostle Paul said again that there is ONE GOD and Father of all, This "Father" is the "ONE GOD" WHO IS OVER ALL.
He also said that Christ (a human, based on Apostle Paul) will be subjected to God so that GOD MAYBE ALL IN ALL:
"For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." I Cor. 15:27-28
If it is now CLEAR to us that it is GOD, THE FATHER who is OVER ALL and not Christ, who is the GOD that should be BLESSED?
Let us ask again Apostle Paul, and this is his answer:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort," II Cor. 1:3
Apostle Paul said that it is the GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus, the "GOD" who is OVERALL that should be BLESSED.
Is Christ the "GOD" in Romans 9:5?
While maybe most bible translations refer Christ as the "GOD" who is over all, there are still some bible translations and versions that does not refer Christ as the "GOD" in the said verse.
Revised Standard Version:
"To them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God is over all be blessed forever. Amen."
Today's English Version:
"They are descended from the famous Hebrew ancestors, and Christ, as a human being, belongs to their race. May God, who rules over all, be praised forever! Amen."
Moffatt Translation:
“the patriarchs are theirs, and theirs too (so far as natural descent goes) is the Christ. (Blessed for evermore be the God who is over all! Amen.)”
New English Bible:
"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them, in natural descent, sprang the Messiah. May God, supreme above all, be blessed for ever! Amen."
What they say about translations that Christ is referred as God in Romans 9:5...
"This half verse has been the center of interminable controversy. The issue appears from a comparison of our two English texts. Is God over all, be blessed forever (or the one who is over all, God blessed forever) a phrase in apposition with "Christ" and belonging in the same sentence as the rest of vs.5 (so the KJV and the RSV mg.), or is this phrase grammatically separate, a doxology to God at the end of the recital of the privileges of Israel (so the RSV and most modern translators?) The question cannot be answered on the basis of Greek since it is a matter almost entirely punctuation and Greek MSS in the early period were not punctuated." "...but the choice is probably to be made between the KJV and the RSV translations. The majority of modern commentators favor the latter because of the unlikehood of Paul's having here referred to Christ as 'God'." (The Interpreter's bible, vol. 9 p.540)
"Although there are strong grammatical arguments to the contrary, the UBS textual committee prefers the reading represented in the TEV, principally on the basis that Paul elsewhere never calls Christ God. Mos modern English translations prefer the rendering represented in the TEV (so RSV, NEB, NAB, Goodspeed, Moffatt)." (A Translator's Handbook on Paul's letter to the Romans, p. 180)
"It should be added that Rom. 9:5 cannot be adduced to prove that Paul ever thought of Christ as God. The state of the case is found in the R.V. margin…He [Paul] never leaves the ground of Jewish monotheism. It has been pointed out that Rom. 9:5 cannot be brought in to question this statement. On the contrary, God is spoken of by the Apostle as not only the Father, but also the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” (The Doctrine of the Trinity, pp. 34-36.)
Meaning, Romans 9:5 cannot be a proof that Christ is the "GOD" WHO IS OVER ALL because it is Christ himself that says that the ONLY and TRUE GOD that WE SHOULD KNOW is the FATHER:
"Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you; even as you gave him authority over all flesh, he will give eternal life to all whom you have given him. This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:1-3
Reference:
Pasugo July 2001 Issue
March 11, 2013
Pinakamatinding palusot sa pagka Diyos ni Kristo
Hindi ako nanlalait o kung ano pa man pero yon na yata ang isa sa mga walang ka sense sense na palusot na nabasa ko. Taktika ng mga pilosopo. Ang mga pilosopo kasi walang common sense, yun bang kailangan mo pang kumpletuhin ang mga sinasabi mo para lang magets nila.
Kapag ba sinabi mong lalaki ka, kailangan mo pang sabihing hindi ka babae?
Kapag ba sinabi mong gutom ka, kailangan mo pang sabihing gusto mong kumain?
Kapag ba sinabi mong maputi ka, kailangan mo pang sabihing hindi ka maitim?
Kapag ba sinabi mong gusto mong maglakad, kailangan mo pang sabihing ayaw mong tumakbo?
Kapag ba sinabi mong tatay ka ng anak mo, kailangan mo pang sabihing mag-ama kayo?
Kailangan pa bang sabihin ni Kristo na siyay hindi Diyos kung sinabi na niyang siya ay TAO?
At kailangan pa ba niyang sabihin siyay hindi Diyos kung mismong siya na ang nagpakilala sa IISANG TUNAY NA DIYOS, ang kaniyang AMA, na sinabi niyang kaniyang Diyos at Diyos din natin?
Ano sa tingin nyo?
June 10, 2011
Jesus is God because he is savior?
Many nonmembers asks that if God the Father is savior and so Jesus Christ, why do we need him (Christ) if we already have the Father as savior? so how can a ‘man’ give salvation? If he is a savior therefore Christ is God!
It is true that God the Father is savior (Isaiah 45:21-22) and that Jesus Christ is also savior (John 4:42; Eph. 5:23). However, to assume that Christ is also God because he is savior is to ignore the teachings of the holy scriptures on how he became savior:
“It was Jesus, a descendant of David, whom God made the savior of the people of Israel, as he had promised” Acts 13:23
“Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31
Clearly therefore that Christ is savior because he was exalted and made such by God. Now, if christ’s being made savior made him god, then comes the absurd conclusion that Christ became God because he was made such by another God.
The holy scriptures also teaches that Christ himself indeed needed salvation from God (Heb. 5:7). Could this have meant that one God “offered up prayers and supplications” to another God “who was able to save him from death?” Surely not, as this directly contradicts the doctrine of the bible that “there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things” (I Cor. 8:6).
To further ask, “Why do we need Jesus if we already have the Father for Salvation?” and “How can a man (jesus) give salvation?” is to overlook, to say the least, biblical pronouncements on the manner through which the Father will grant salvation. The Father, who alone is God (John 17:1,3), will give salvation through “the man” He has ordained, Jesus Christ. The bible explains, thus:
“And now—all glory to him who alone is God, who saves us through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Jude 1:24)
“because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”” Acts 17:31
As Jesus was ordained or appointed to be “the man” through whom God will judge the world, it is him (Christ) who will come on the “end of the age” (Matt. 24:3) to bring judgment on all (Jude 1:14-15). Jesus will grant salvation or the right to “inherit the kingdom” to his sheep (Matt. 25:31-34) or the members of his church (John 10:16, Acts 20:28 Lamsa translation, Eph. 5:23) because God gave him the authority to give eternal life(John 17:2). Indeed, Christ become savior by virtue of the authority given to him by the Father.
And as regards the nature of Christ’s being, the bible explicitly declares of Him through whom salvation is to be found:
“...Jesus of Nazareth was a man whose divine authority was clearly proven to you by all miracles and wonders which God performed through him...”
“Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us” Acts 2:22, 4:12
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