Tignan nga natin ang mga sinisipi nilang bible translations:
King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
King James 2000 Bible
And without doubt great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
American King James Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Darby Bible Translation
And confessedly the mystery of piety is great. God has been manifested in flesh, has been justified in the Spirit, has appeared to angels, has been preached among the nations, has been believed on in the world, has been received up in glory.
Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
World English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.
Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
Ang tanong naman eh, TAMA BA ang kanilang PAGKAKASALIN na ANG DIYOS ang NAHAYAG SA LAMAN?
Kahit common sense lang ang ating pagaganahin, kung nabasa nating maigi ang bibliya, hindi naman ang Diyos ang nahayag sa laman kundi ang kaniyang anak na si KRISTO. Magkaiba kasi ang Diyos kay Kristo, yung Diyos yung may anak, si Kristo naman ang may AMA na kaniyang Diyos at ating Diyos.
Ang Diyos ay hindi TAO (may laman at buto):
"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19
"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret." 1 Samuel 15:29
"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath." Hosea 11:9
Ang Diyos ay ESPIRITO (walang laman at buto):
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Ang sabi naman ni Kristo siyay hindi ESPIRITO, meron siyang laman at buto kaya siya ay TAO:
"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Luke 24:39
Eh sino ba talaga ang nahayag sa laman, ang DIYOS o si KRISTO?
Sasabihin naman ng ilan, eh Diyos naman si Kristo kaya yung "God" doon eh si Kristo ang tinutukoy hindi ang Diyos Ama.
Eh hindi nga pupuwedeng maging si Kristo ang "God" doon dahil si Kristo ay TAO at ang Ama ang tunay na Diyos ayon sa bibliya.
Kaya nga sa maraming bible translation ay hindi naman "God" ang pagkakasalin doon:
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.
English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!
NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.
American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.
English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.
Maliwanag na maliwanag, hindi po ang Diyos ang nahayag sa laman ayon sa I Tim. 3:16 kahit sa tagalog bible pa tayo tumingin:
"At walang pagtatalo, dakila ang hiwaga ng kabanalan; Yaong nahayag sa laman, Pinapaging-banal sa espiritu, Nakita ng mga anghel, Ipinangaral sa mga bansa, Sinampalatayanan sa sanglibutan, Tinanggap sa itaas sa kaluwalhatian." worldplanet.org
"Hindi maikakaila na napakadakila ng hiwaga ng ating relihiyon: Siya'y nahayag nang maging tao, pinatunayang matuwid ng Espiritu, at nakita ng mga anghel. Ipinangaral sa mga Hentil, pinaniwalaan ng lahat, at itinaas sa kalangitan." BMBB
Ito ang sabi ng ilang eksperto sa bibliya:
“By the pronoun He with which the hymn opens, is to be understood, Christ. The Greek reading which underlies the AV translation ‘GOD’ is almost certainly wrong…” Bruce, F.F., General edition: The International Bible Commentary. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1986.
“3:16 The earliest Greek texts have “He” rather than “GOD”. The six phrases which follow appear to be a quotation from an early Christian hymn…” Criswell, W.A., Ph.D., ed. The Criswell Study bible, Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Pubs., 1979
“… The best manuscripts read, ‘Who’, referring to Christ. He was justified by the way the Spirit worked in him.” The Westminister Study Edition of the holy Bible. Philadelphia: The westminister press, 1968
“The context makes it plain that Paul is referring to Christ when he says: He who was manifest in the flesh (ASV)… All the leading words occur elsewhere in Paul’s writings. Flesh. Paul frequently emphasizes the humanity of Christ by the use of his word (Rom. 1:3; 8:3; 9:5, Eph 5:15, Col. 1:22, Heb. 5:7; 10:20)…” Pfeiffer, Charles F. and Everette F. Harrison, eds. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1990
THAT IS RIGHT, GOD IS NOT MAN AND MAN IS NOT GOD.
ReplyDeleteTHE DIVINE NATURE IS NOT HUMAN NATURE AND THE HUMAN NATURE IS NOT DIVINE NATURE.
JESUS IS GOD AND MAN. 100% GOD, 100% MAN.
HE IS NOT 50% GOD AND 50% MAN; HE IS NOT A HYBRID.
ALTHOUGH JESUS CHRIST IS ONE PERSON, HIS DIVINE NATURE IS COMPLETELY DISTINCT FROM HIS HUMAN NATURE.
JESUS IS "GOD WHO WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH".
THIS PROVES THE DUAL NATURE OF CHRIST. HE IS "GOD (DIVINE NATURE) WHO WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH" (HUMAN NATURE). HE IS NOT GOD WHO BECAME MAN BUT HE IS GOD WHO TOOK ON ANOTHER NATURE WHICH IS HUMAN; HIS DIVINE NATURE DID NOT CHANGED AT ALL, IT REMAINS THE SAME.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL TEXT OR AUTOGRIPA; THERE IS NO 100% CERTAINTY ON WHICH TRANSLATION IS CORRECT. SOME TRANSLATION SAYS "GOD" AND SOME ARE "HE" AND SOME "WHICH WAS". THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, TO FIND OUT WHICH TRANSLATION IS CORRECT. LET US TEST:
WHICH ONE IS GREAT MYSTERY OUT OF THE THREE?
"HE MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH"
"WHICH WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH"
OR
"GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH"
OUT OF THE THREE, "GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH" IS GREAT MYSTERY THAN THE OTHER TWO. SO BY LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT, WE CAN ARRIVED AT THE CONCLUSION THAT "GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH" IS MOST LIKELY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT OR AUTOGRIPA.
You arrived in your conclusion because youre bias to your belief. This verse is not a proof the Jesus is God because simply he is not God or THE GOD.
DeleteNever did the New Testament or the Apostles address Christ as GOD or THE GOD. The bible taught us that Jesus is a HUMAN. Jesus taught us that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD.
The doctrine Trinity that was invented in the 4th century by the Catholic Church teaches that God is THREE in ONE. Jesus became God as well as the Holy Spirit because of the this council. The east and west had the GREAT SCHISM because they did not have agreement about the teaching about the Holy Spirit. The doctrine Trinity violated the teachings of God being unbiblical.
Jesus is 100% human. We cannot find into the bible that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, that's only your wrong belief.
If Christ is another GOD who took human form, why God the Father cant do it? Is it because Christ is more powerful than his God, the Father as well as he has two natures but the Father has only one?
Your own words bury you.. " If CHRIST is ANOTHER GOD..."
DeleteCHRIST is NOT another God!! Who was the GOD who was "walking in the cool of the day" in the garden of EDEN? Who is the HIM in John 1:3 that CREATED all things? Is that ANOTHER GOD?
No!! The SON who was with the FATHER from ETERNITY past is the HIM which ALL things were created by
This is also why INC loves to omit certain verses in their INC media presntatuions
They will cite John 17:1-3 but fail to continue to John 17:5
" Father glorify ME with the GLORY I HAD with you from before the world was CREATED"
For you,
DeleteJesus is God, the son of God
The Father is God, who has a son
You mean to say that your GOD is both the Father and Jesus. But the trinity says that the Father is not the Son and vice versa, so it means only that the Father being God is DIFFERENT from Christ who is for you, also a GOD, then CHRIST is ANOTHER GOD besides the father.
Dont accuse the INC as if it really omits something that you claim, we use John 17:1-3 to prove that the ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER BASED ON HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. There's nothing in John 17:4-5 we can find about the Father being the only true God so why QUOTE IT???
I think you want to say that John 17:5 proves Christ being God. But im sorry this verse has nothing to do with Christ's divinity. He had glory before the world was created is not an evidence of him being God or that he had pre-existence.
If we would accept that very wrong interpretation, we should also accept that we are God also, because EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS MADE, God loved us and chose us (past tense) though we are not existing yet:
"Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes." Eph 1:4
By the way, your username seems familiar to me, are you the same eric from the past years? The stubborn eric whom i blocked in this blog?
Sorry Eric, but as what i have said, i already blocked you in this blog and you are forever blocked here. I published your comment because im curious if youre the same eric in the past years.
DeleteI already given you a chance. no more. dont make it difficult for me to moderate your comments and your never ending arguments.
Thank you for visiting my blog (until now). Just keep your wrong faith to yourself. Not need to share it because i asked you about your goal about doing such things but you say nothing.
By the way, you can post your opinions in INC forum at network54.com and say nonsense. If you want to waste your life doing that i hope you have your happiness.
Eric,
DeleteYes, youre wasting your time, you do not spread WORDS OF GOD but your wrong beliefs. Please, dont think as if ALL THINGS, even TINY THINGS on earth should have a proof to be done from the bible.
Its like, on what verse in the bible that says you should comb your hair after taking a bath?
Did Jesus taught us to use cellphones?
There is no verse in the bible that you should do this and that, thats unbiblical...
That's your argument...
Well, you know Mr. Eric, the moment i learned that your wife is still a member of the church while you, having false beliefs spread false teachings, i already accepted that she will be misled by you. If you can recall, if im not mistaken, i said to you that i hope you will not encourage your wife to believe your false beliefs and etc...
It is not surprising. You know, that is one of the very reason why the church prohibits interfaith marriage, the same thing is written IN THE BIBLE.
"You are not the same as those who don’t believe. So don’t join yourselves to them. Good and evil don’t belong together. Light and darkness cannot share the same room. 15 How can there be any unity between Christ and the devil[a]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?" 2 cor. 6:14-15
Your wife did not see LIGHT, but was influenced by you. Your the husband, what do we expect? Even if you do not force her, its common sense. Please dont think that all MESSENGERS are the same, there are true and false. also, dont consider yourself as a MESSENGER of GOD because youre not, probably from something in the ground... just kidding.
Like what i said, just continue whatever you want and how you spend your life, life is short, if something makes you happy go for it. I will never hinder you on that, though you have your happiness in life, its not an assurance that you will attain salvation. Salvation is a choice. If you want it, you should work hard for it.
that's all.
THEN now, Mr. INC, bias and close to wisdom Member, if you are questioning that translation, have you tried already to trace out the best translation therefore based on unbias facts? and another thing, what therefore is the mistery then if not the manifestation of God in the flesh? remember these verses my friend, Mr. INC Member, even to eternity, Col. 2
Delete:9 "For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily. How will it be if Jesus is not God? it was written there "ALL the fulness". If it is true Jesus is 100% God, why? because ALL the fulness of the God head was written there. Now ofcourse you are wrong, and the bible is right.another verses to think, John 1:1 "and the Word was God", John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh" and "God was manifested in the flesh" and John 8:24 "if ye believe not that i am he, ye shall die in your sins"
If your not still convinced, I can't change your mind but ican pray for you, there you can do nothing. I challenge you therefore now until you can't do it anymore, pray this prayer, God if those people who do not believe as I believe about You is lost, save them, save them from hell the eternel punishment, have mercy on them, but if I'm the person in a wrong side of belief about You, please save me, save me from hell the eternel punishment, put me in the rigth path.
If you are willing, well and good. If not, that's your choice.
God bless you Mr. INC MEMBER. THINK ABOUT IT SERIOUSLY.
God is spirit in nature (John 4:24).
ReplyDeleteWill He change?
"Whatever is good and perfect comes to us from God above, who created all heaven's lights. Unlike them, He never changes or casts shifting shadows" (James 1:17).
Christ is made of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).
Will He change?
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).
--Bee
You're saying the Bias word and yet your So called God favors one beautified/extraordinary son over others,Jr18:4(is that not an act of a bias God and father),and your group is insisting to worship both the Creator and the created,which is never proclaimed by the scriptures. Questions--- does he(God) have the ability to reproduce or not,(is he like Allah, neither begets not is begotten,Quran Surah112:1-4:and have no parter,Quran Surah17:111); is he willing or unwilling,Ps94:9-11. These are questions that you need to clarify to the flock and us non members. email me your answers blaxandsparx@yahoo.com(http://marsian-thebiblenotebook.blogspot.com/)
ReplyDeleteCome again Eric you say
ReplyDelete"This is also why INC loves to omit certain verses in their INC media presntatuions They will cite John 17:1-3 but fail to continue to John 17:5 " Father glorify ME with the GLORY I HAD with you from before the world was CREATED""
Don't be silly dearest. Even if we go to the verse you mentioned...take note dear. Does that CHANGE the FACT of Jesus stand that his FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD? of course not.
Take note even if Jesus said this... DON'T be SILLY to think that Jesus is CHANGING his POINT that the his FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD. Of course not. It is just your SILLY HALLUCINATIONs running circles in your MISGUIDED thinking again. Poor soul.
Thats why Jesus NEVER taught that he is a god because his FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That's what Jesus taught in John 17:1-5. Verse 5 does not say Jesus is God. Its only the SILLY IMAGINATION of our dear Eric whose OMITTING what Jesus ALREADY CLEARLY PRONOUNCED. That his FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD. That simple.
Jr 18:4 bias? of course not dear. That would be your misguided thinking.
ReplyDeletecome again you say "your group is insisting to worship both the Creator and the created,which is never proclaimed by the scriptures"
Of course not dearest we never insist this. It simply is WRITTEN in the bible. Read Philippians my dear so you may be enlightened.
Come again "does he(God) have the ability to reproduce or not," No dearest He simply CREATE's.
Juan 17:3-5, 3 Ito ang buhay na walang hanggan: ang makilala ka nila, ang iisa at tunay na Diyos, at ang makilala si Jesu-Cristo na iyong isinugo. 4 Inihayag ko sa lupa ang iyong karangalan; natapos ko na ang ipinapagawa mo sa akin. 5 Kaya, Ama, ipagkaloob mo sa akin ngayon ang kaluwalhatiang taglay ko sa piling mo bago pa likhain ang daigdig.
ReplyDeletePanisnin natin dito po pinakilala ng panginoong hesucristo ang ama bilang iisang dios na tunay ngayon sino naman si cristo bilang sinugo, sapagkat ito ang karangalan ng ama bilang iisang dios na tunay at dahil dito binigyan ng kalwalhatian si cristo so ang pinaguusapan dito ang patungkol sa ama sapagkat dito nahayag ang kapangyarihan ng panginoong dios
Sa juan 17:1-5 , dito ang kahayagan kung papanong dios na tunay ang ama, mismong ang panginoong hesus kininikilala nyanng manlilikha ang dios at nagkaloob ng kalwalhatian kay hesus, ngayon ano paba ang tanong kung sinong dios na dapat kilalanin ng tao si cristo ba na sinugo ng ama na pinakilala bilang tunay na dios?, cristo na pinagkalooban ng kalwalhatian o ang ama na nagkaloob ng kalwalhatian kay cristo? or si cristo na kumikilala ng dios bilang manliklikha? Dahil dito malinaw na hindi si cristo ng ama bilang dios ang dapat sundin ng tao, pano? itoy kung susundin natin ang tinuro at pinakilala ng panginoong hesucristo at hindi yong sarili nating pakahulugan upang hindi tayo mahulog sa mali o huwad na pananampalataya.
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