Nilalabag ba ng Iglesia ni Cristo ang Separation of church and state?

Sabi ng mga walang alam sa batas at mga walang alam sa tunay na doktrina ng Iglesia ni Cristo, nilalabag daw ng Iglesia ni Cristo ang batas sa separation of church and state. 

At dahil hindi nila naiintindihan ito kaya sila nagsasalita ng walang alam. Yan ang mga taong nagmamarunong. Ang totoong dahilan nila ay upang siraan ang Iglesia dahil naiinggit sila dahil patuloy itong lumalago at nagtatagumpay.

Sabi nila, dahil sa pagkakaisa sa pagboto ng mga miyembro ng INC ay nalalabag daw ang separation of church and state dahil iniimpluwensyahan daw ng mga leader ang pasya ng kanilang mga miyembro.

Talakayin nga natin kung ano ano ang nakasaad sa batas tungkol sa separation of church and state:

The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. (Article II, Section 6)

No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights. (Article III, Section 5)

source:1987 Constitution of the Philippines

Saan diyan ang nilabag ng Iglesia ni Cristo?

Ano nga nga?

Wala naman pala bakit ang hilig nyo magkwento?

Pagpapatunay na hindi kayo mga tunay na Kristyano at hindi kayo sa Diyos?

Okay...

Eto turo ng Iglesia ni Cristo oh:

"Separation of Church and State. The Church of Christ upholds the democratic ideal of separation of church and state. It advances through peaceful and legal means the right and freedom of its members and congregations to conduct worship and other religious activities as provided for and protected by the fundamental law of the land."

source: from a pamphlet distributed during church's 95th anniversary in 2009

Ang kanilang paratang

Eto daw kasi yung nilalabag ng Iglesia ni Cristo, ang Omnibus Election Code of the Philippines sec. 261 kung saan ito ang isinasaad:

"(d) Coercion of subordinates. - (1) Any public officer, or any officer of any public or private corporation or association, or any head, superior, or administrator of any religious organization, or any employer or land-owner who coerces or intimidates or compels, or in any manner influence, directly or indirectly, any of his subordinates or members or parishioners or employees or house helpers, tenants, overseers, farm helpers, tillers, or lease holders to aid, campaign or vote for or against any candidate or any aspirant for the nomination or selection of candidates."

(2) Any public officer or any officer of any commercial, industrial, agricultural, economic or social enterprise or public or private corporation or association, or any head, superior or administrator of any religious organization, or any employer or landowner who dismisses or threatens to dismiss, punishes or threatens to punish be reducing his salary, wage or compensation, or by demotion, transfer, suspension, separation, excommunication, ejectment, or causing him annoyance in the performance of his job or in his membership, any subordinate member or affiliate, parishioner, employee or house helper, tenant, overseer, farm helper, tiller, or lease holder, for disobeying or not complying with any of the acts ordered by the former to aid, campaign or vote for or against any candidate, or any aspirant for the nomination or selection of candidates.  

(e) Threats, intimidation, terrorism, use of fraudulent device or other forms of coercion. - Any person who, directly or indirectly, threatens, intimidates or actually causes, inflicts or produces any violence, injury, punishment, damage, loss or disadvantage upon any person or persons or that of the immediate members of his family, his honor or property, or uses any fraudulent device or scheme to compel or induce the registration or refraining from registration of any voter, or the participation in a campaign or refraining or desistance from any campaign, or the casting of any vote or omission to vote, or any promise of such registration, campaign, vote, or omission therefrom.

 Source: Batas Pambansa Blg. 881, Omnibus election code of the phil. sec.261 chanrobles.com

Tignan nga natin sa dictionary ang ginamit na mga terms para maintindihan nating lahat:

co·erce  (k-ûrs)tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es

1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.

2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly:

3. To bring about by force or threat:

in·tim·i·date  (n-tm-dt)

tr.v. in·tim·i·dat·ed, in·tim·i·dat·ing, in·tim·i·dates

1. To make timid; fill with fear.

2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.

com·pel  (km-pl)tr.v. com·pelled, com·pel·ling, com·pels

1. To force, drive, or constrain:

2. To necessitate or pressure by force;

3. To exert a strong, irresistible force on;

threat  (thrt)

n.

1. An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.

2. An indication of impending danger or harm.

3. One that is regarded as a possible danger; a menace.

dis·miss  (ds-ms)tr.v. dis·missed, dis·miss·ing, dis·miss·es

1. To end the employment or service of; discharge.

2. To direct or allow to leave: 

3.

a. To stop considering; rid one's mind of; dispel:

b. To refuse to accept or recognize; reject: 

source: thefreedictionary.com

In other words, walang sinuman ang MAMUMUWERSA o MANG IIMPLUWENSIYA sa isang tao na IKAMPANYA ang isang KANDIDATO para IBOTO o HINDI IBOTO.

Gets?


Nang iimpluwensya ba ang Iglesia ni Cristo sa miyembro nito?

Bago natin sagutin yan, ano ba ang ibig sabihin ng mang-impluwensya?

in·flu·ence  (nfl-ns)  v. in·flu·enced, in·flu·enc·ing, in·flu·enc·es

1. To produce an effect on by imperceptible or intangible means; sway.

2. To affect the nature, development, or condition of; modify.

source: thefreedictionary.com

Hindi kami iniimpulwensyahan ng aming lider sa kung sino ang iboboto namin. Yan ang katotohanan. Pag sinabi mo saking impluwensya, halimbawa, ako, meron akong gustong iboto tapos kakausapin ako ng ministro at hihikayatin na si ganito na lang ang iboto ko. O kaya naman sasabihin niya sakin, close naman tayo diba, may utang na loob ka pa sakin, si ganito na lang iboto mo wag na si ganito.

Eto pa halimbawa ng pang iimpluwensya sa miyembro, halimbawa, meron akong gustong iboto tapos sabi ng namamahala samin, mga kapatid iboto po natin si ganito, at dahil hinahangaan kong tao ang namamahala samin, sa halip na si ganiyan ang iboto ko, ay si ganito na lang ang iboboto ko, yung inindorso ng lider na namamahala samin.

Yung indorso kasi parang yung sa commercial sa tv, NANGHIHIKAYAT. Ang Iglesia ni Cristo hindi naman HINIHIKAYAT ang mga miyembro nito na iboto si ganito o ganiyan.

Ang ginagawa ng Iglesia ni Cristo tuwing bago mag eleksyon, ipinapaalala ang doktrina sa kaisahan, at ipapabatid ang susuportahang kandidato. Walang kandidato ang pinapayagang mangampanya sa loob ng kapilya at sa lahat ng aktibidad ng Iglesia.

Wala yung tulad ng ginagawa ng El Shaddai at Kingdom of Jesus Christ ni Mr. Quiboloy na pinapahayag nila sa madla yung sinuportahan nila at dumadalo pa nga ng event nila. Kung ako eh miyembro nila, malamang eh maiimpluwensyahan ako na iboto ang gusto nilang suportahan lalo na kung active at devoted ako na miyembro nila.

YUN ANG TINATAWAG NA NANG IIMPLUWENSYA!


Namumuwersa ba o nag-babanta ang Iglesia ni Cristo sa mga miyembro nito?

Itanong nyo sa lahat ng miyembro kung meron na bang experience na meron sa Iglesia ang ganito-> coerce/intimidate/compel/threat/dismiss/influence.

Kung wala, eh ano ba talagang problema niyo? Bakit napaka affected niyo eh hindi naman kayo yung nagkakaisa sa pagboto?

Katotohanan:

Walang miski isang miyembro ng Iglesia ni Cristo pinupwersa o tinatakot na kapag hindi mo ibinoto si ganito at ganiyan ay ititiwalag ka.

Yan kasi ang kadalasang maririnig sa mga taong masyadong naapektuhan ng pagkakaisa namin, na kesyo, wuuuu weehh eh tinatakot nga kayo ng mga ministro niyo na ititiwalag kayo pag di niyo binoto si ganito at ganiyan.

KASINUNGALINGAN YAN.

Ano yon, sa milyung miyembro ng INC sa Pilipinas iisa isahin para takutin at pagbantaan ng ganiyan? Ano yan tuwing eleksyon gaganyanin lahat ng miyembro? Ano to lokohan?

Ang pagboto ng kandidato sa amin ay hindi pwersahan at walang pagbabanta na nagaganap. Imahinasyon lang yan ng mga naiinggit sa pagkakaisa ng Iglesia dahil sa Iglesia nila di nila magagawa gawa yon. Isa sa mga doktrina ng Iglesia na itinuturo sa doktrina bago pa bautismuhan ang isang gustong umanib ay ang tungkol sa PAGKAKAISA. No. 22 yon sa 25 na doktrina na itinuturo tuwing my bible study ang Iglesia ni Cristo. Walang pumupwersa sa kanilang umanib kaya ang pagboto sa kandidato ay hindi pwersahan. Bago pa sila bautismuhan ay alam na nila na may aral sa Iglesia tungkol sa pagkakaisa, at isa na diyan ay ang pagkakaisa sa pagboto tuwing eleksyon.

Katotohanan:

Walang nakakakita at nakakaalam sa kung sino ang ibinoboto ng bawat miyembro ng Iglesia.

Puro kasi kalokohan ang mga di kaanib, naniniwala silang may nagtitiktik sa milyun milyung miyembro ng Iglesia tuwing eleksyon sa kung sino ang iboboto. Nasa miyembro na yon kung susunod ba siya sa ARAL NG IGLESIA, wala sa kaniyang nagbabanta o pumupwersa doon kaya meron pa ring kalayaan sa pag iisip ang lahat ng kaanib. Alam din ng bawat kaanib na ang paglabag sa doktrina ng Iglesia tulad ng pag aasawa ng di kapananampalataya, paglaban sa pamamahala, pamumuhay ng labag sa buhay Kristiyano at iba pa ay may kaparusahang PAGKATIWALAG.

Lahat ng tao sa mundo walang pumupwersa at nagbabanta para gumawa ka ng mabuti. Nasa sa iyo yon kung gagawa ka ng mabuti o masama. At kung gumawa ka ng masama, mananagot ka sa batas ng tao at batas ng Diyos, bawat paggawa ng masama ay may kaparusahan.

Ganun din sa amin. Walang nakakakita sa binoto ng 1 miyembro kundi SIYA LAMANG at ang DIYOS.


Kung hindi ang Iglesia ni Cristo, aling mga relihiyon ang tunay na lumalabag o lumabag sa Omnibus Election Code of the Philippines?


Ikokowt ko muli ang batas:

"(d) Coercion of subordinates. - (1) Any public officer, or any officer of any public or private corporation or association, or any head, superior, or administrator of any religious organization, or any employer or land-owner who coerces or intimidates or compels, or in any manner influence, directly or indirectly, any of his subordinates or members or parishioners or employees or house helpers, tenants, overseers, farm helpers, tillers, or lease holders to aid, campaign or vote for or against any candidate or any aspirant for the nomination or selection of candidates."

Tagalog mula sa inemphasized: Wala daw SAMAHAN O LIDER ng kahit anong SAMAHANG PANRELIHIYON ang MANG IIMPLUWENSIYA sa kanilang mga MIYEMBRO sa direkta o hindi direktang paraan para MANGAMPANYA sa KAHIT SINONG KUMAKANDIDATO.


El Shaddai:

Kingdom of Jesus Christ:

Jesus Is Lord Church:

"Political involvement

In 2001, the Social Weather Stations estimated that the JIL’s voting strength was 307,000 or only 10% of its claimed membership. Today, JIL has 4 million members, Villanueva said. 

A week before the 1992 presidential elections, JIL Church founder Eddie Villanueva claims divine guidance to endorse Fidel Ramos. Ramos won becoming the country's first Protestant president, but his victory was tainted by allegations of wholesale cheating in Mindanao. Villanueva became his private chaplain. 

In 1997, Ramos unsuccessfully lobbied to amend the constitution and lift the single six-year presidential term limit. Villanueva lead the Philippines for Jesus Movement in petitioning for the change. 

In the 1998 Philippine presidential elections, Villanueva actively endorsed and "anointed" Jose de Venecia as the next president.[5] De Venecia finished 6 million votes behind the very popular Joseph Estrada. In 1999, Villanueva along with the Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Cardinal Sin and ex-President Corazon Aquino, strongly opposed Estrada's efforts to amend the constitution. 

In April 2001, Estrada is arrested on plunder charges, prompting his loyalists to demonstrate. Villanueva joined Pentecostal and Catholic leaders in condemning the rally. 

In the 2004 Philippine presidential election, Villanueva ran for president. Villanueva presented himself as someone who wanted to fight against “moral bankruptcy” and corruption in the Philippines. His supporters include Christian showbiz personalities Piolo Pascual, Donita Rose, Gary Valenciano and Kuh Ledesma. He got 1,988,218 votes or 6.16% of the total votes. He not only lost the race but also the votes of other Christian denominations and four megachurches in the country by the likes of Rev. Butch Conde of Bread of Life Ministries International, Rev. Peter Tan-Chi of Christ's Commission Fellowship, Dr. Luis Pantoja of Greenhills Christian Fellowship and Rev. Steve Murrel of Victory Christian Fellowship that believed he shouldn’t have run and they didn't support Villanueva because of the separation of church and state.[6] When Gloria Arroyo won the election, Villanueva rejected Arroyo's overtures to join her administration. In July 2005, Arroyo called for constitutional changes amid accusations of corruption and election manipulation. The Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches supported Arroyo during impeachment investigations, while Villanueva called for Arroyo to resign.[7] Villanueva alleges that Arroyo ordered her allies to shave off votes from him in the 2004 presidential election and transfer them to hers.[8] Around 200,000 JIL members rallied and asked Arroyo to resign and call a snap election. 

In the 2010 Philippine presidential election, Villanueva ran for president again but lost receiving only 1,125,878 votes or 3.12% of the total votes."

source: wikipedia 

Members Church of God International: 

Catholic Movements:

"One month before the May 13 national mid-term election, the White Vote Movement endorsed senatorial candidates Koko Pimentel, Cynthia Villar, Sonny Trillanes, Gringo Honasan, Mitos Magsaysay and JV Ejercito Estrada.

Two weeks after that, the group endorsed Dick Gordon, Migs Zubiri, Nancy Binay and Marwin llasos.

And two days before the elections, on the final day of the campaign, the group added Ramon Magsaysay and Bam Aquino."

source: solarnews.ph

 
Eto naman ang iemphasize natin:

"(d) Coercion of subordinates. - (1) Any public officer, or any officer of any public or private corporation or association, or any head, superior, or administrator of any religious organization, or any employer or land-owner who coerces or intimidates or compels, or in any manner influence, directly or indirectly, any of his subordinates or members or parishioners or employees or house helpers, tenants, overseers, farm helpers, tillers, or lease holders to aid, campaign or vote for or against any candidate or any aspirant for the nomination or selection of candidates."

Tagalog: Wala daw SAMAHAN O LIDER ng kahit anong SAMAHANG PANRELIHIYON ang MANG IIMPLUWENSIYA sa kanilang mga MIYEMBRO sa direkta o hindi direktang paraan para IKAMPANYA NA HINDI IBOTO ang KAHIT SINONG KUMAKANDIDATO.

Catholic Church:

Sabi ng Simbang Katoliko HUWAG DAW IBOBOTO ANG TEAM PATAY.

 
Ano ngayon? Sige alin-aling relihiyon ba ang tunay na lumabag sa batas?

Ang galing ano, pag Iglesia may kaisahan todo batikos, sa mga gaya gaya namang relihiyon na walang basehan sa doktrina ang bloc voting wala lang para sa kanila. Ayos ah.


Iglesia ni Cristo = may doktrina tungkol sa kaisahan sa Iglesia na nasa bibliya

Mga gaya-gaya = pansariling interes kaya nag-eendorso at nang iimpluwensya ng kanilang mga miyembro