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July 10, 2013

Ang hamon ni "Del" na isang catholic defender

Si Mr. Del ay isang close minded na catholic defender sa "The Splendor of the church". Hindi ko na sana sasagutin itong non sense na sinasabi niya, pero dahil mabait ako at kinukulit niya ko, sige pagbibigyan ko siya nakakahiya naman sa kaniya^^

Masyadong pinalaki ni Del ang tungkol sa "website-blog issue", pero dahil ayokong mailigaw niya ang marami tungkol sa MALI niyang pagkakaintindi dito at gusto ko happy siya, sige pagbigyan.

ANG HAMON ni Mr. Del:

nagcomment ako sa blog ni readme na may pamagat na "
Sino ba talaga ang "pulpol", ako o sila?"
sinabi ko na ipost nya rin ang BLOG at WEBSITE issue nya dito kasi, binuhay nya ang STADIUM at ARENA, mukang tama nga si Fr. Abe, wala syang balak ipost ito sa blog nya dahil, LALABAS ANG KABOBOHAN NYA SA MISMONG BLOG NYA.
PALIBHASA BITTER AYAN, TAKBO NA LANG SA IBANG TOPIC. HAHAHA

Ito yong komento niya sa isang post sa blog ko:


Boss, e yung Blog at Website kelan mo e ipapakita sa mga reader mo? pwede mo bang ipaliwanang sa kanila kung paano mo nasabi na

" hindi website ang aking blog"

"MALI DIN na sabihing WEBSITE ang aking BLOG" ?

Paki topic naman oh. Please? nagmumuka kasing bitter ka jan sa article mo na yan e. ang alam ko kasi matagal na yan e, ano yan taktika mo para makaiskor?

Para sa mga reader ni README ito po ung link oh.

http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/2013/06/06/sagot-sa-palsong-argumento-ng-mga-manalistang-pulpol-na-ang-iglesia-katolika-ay-hindi-naitatag-noong-first-century-by-lawrence-luna/#comment-4215

Gusto niyang itackle ko ito sa BLOG ko.

BAKIT?

Eh pano ba naman, gusto niyang makaisa sakin dahil nung sinabi ko sa kaniya ang tungkol sa "arena-stadium issue" ayun napa nga-nga alam niya kasing mali ang Pari at mga Catholic Defenders na nagkakalat ng kasinungalingan na kesyo ang ARENA daw ay equals STADIUM. Ikumpara ba naman kasi ang "philippine ARENA" sa "new singapore national STADIUM"!

Ang tanong, makakaisa kaya siya? Mismong Pari nga at iba pang mga Catholic Defenders hindi nakaisa sakin, siya pa? ^^

Eto pa ang pagmamayabang ni DEL nung naalala ko ang "stadium-arena issue":

  HAHAHA.. LUMALABAS NA BITTER NA BITTER KA README SA BLOG AT WEBSITE AH. HINDI MO NA BA KAYANG TAYUAN ANG ISSUE NATIN SA BLOG AT WEBSITE? HAHAHA. .... KAWAWA KA NAMAN BITTER README.. HAHAHA. ..

Sinagot ko na siya tungkol diyan, at ayoko ng palakihin pa dahil napaka basic naman non, nagbibigay pa nga daw siya ng "TALK" sa mga seminars ng may bayad tungkol doon pero sabi ko naaawa ako sa mga nakikinig ng seminars na dinadaluhan niya. Napakasimple kasi minamali pa niya.

Eto nga pala kasi ang mga sinabi ko kung bakit siya nagkakaganyan:

"Una po Mr. Luna, hindi website ang aking blog, at ang blog ko ay pansarili bilang INC member at hindi ng Church, mag isa lang po akong gumagawa sa blog ko, wala akong kasama. sana nagkakaunawaan po tayo^^"

"...kaya nga ako nagcomment dito dahil MALI ang pagkakaintindi ni Mr. Luna sa mga sinabi ko. MALI DIN na sabihing WEBSITE ang aking BLOG, MALI din na sabihing INC website ang blog ko dahil blog ko lang naman yon sa INC member."

Bakit BLOG?

Sabi ni DEL:

 UNA, MALI KA NG SABIHIN MONG
"MALI DIN na sabihing WEBSITE ang aking BLOG"
KASI PRE ANG BLOG AY ISANG URI NG WEBSITE. AYAN HINDI MO BA AAMINING MALI KA JAN? KUNG OO, EXPECTED NA UN PARA SA INCM MEMBER, KELAN BA KAYO NAGSABI NG TOTOO?

Maliwanag naman ang sinabi ko, ang sabi ko, MALI na SABIHING website ang aking blog, wala naman akong sinasabing ang BLOG ay HINDI isang uri ng WEBSITE.

Eh bakit ko ba nasabing MALI na sabihing website ang aking blog at hindi website ang aking blog?

Maliwanag naman kasi sa mga nakalagay sa "BLOG" ko, eto sa "ABOUT ME" section pa lang:

"I was inspired building this blog because of the negative views of nonmembers to the Iglesia ni Cristo. Mostly can be called myth, accusation, lie and so on."

"This blog is an unofficial blog of the Iglesia ni Cristo that aims one thing: to stop lies to be able to show the truth.I have no connection with the Church Administration nor they recognize this blog of mine."

"Note: I built this blog with my sincere intention, to SHOW THE TRUTH inside the Iglesia ni Cristo, Church of Christ."

Eto pa nasa comment section:

 "Good day! This is an unofficial blog of the Iglesia ni Cristo created by a member."

Oh ANO?

BLOG ko nga kasi ito. Wala naman akong sinasabing WEBSITE ko to, at lalo naman, wala akong sinasabing INC WEBSITE ito o WEBSITE ito ng INC. WALANG GANUN!

Obvious ba sa url palang?

www.readmeiglesianicristo.blogspot.com

at nagboblog ako sa blogger.com

ako ay isang BLOGGER.

Okay na ba?


WEBSITE vs. BLOG

Hindi ko kailangan maging I.T graduate para lang maintindihan ang dalawang ito. Malayo sa course ko ang I.T pero nakakalungkot isipin na para lang salungatin ang mga sinasabi ko ay kailangan pa niyang magpakamangmang at magsinungaling.

Ano ba ang blog?

"A blog (a contraction of the words web log) is a discussion or informational site published on the World Wide Web and consisting of discrete entries ("posts") typically displayed in reverse chronological order (the most recent post appears first)." source: wikipedia 

Ano naman ang website?

"A website, also written as Web site, web site, or simply site, is a set of related web pages served from a single web domain. A website is hosted on at least one web server, accessible via a network such as the Internet or a private local area network through an Internet address known as a Uniform Resource Locator." source: wikipedia

WEBSITE = BLOG?

Wala akong sinasabing ang BLOG ay HINDI isang uri ng WEBSITE. Pero ibig bang sabihin non eh WEBSITE is equals BLOG?

Katulad din yan ng STADIUM at ARENA, kaya nga binigay ko yon bilang example, para sa kanila ang ARENA=STADIUM kaya naman pati ang BLOG=WEBSITE.

Kahit naman magkamukha o magkapareho o kung ano pa man yan, may pagkakaiba yang mga yan.

Yan, search mo pa sa google:




Oh ngayon, may pagkakaiba ba o WALA? 

Kung meron, ang WEBSITE ba ay equals BLOG?

Ito ang sabi sa munnamark.blogspot.com :


"In fact a blog is a type of website. But it is different from a complete website in following aspects: 
  • The contents of a blog are updated regularly. Posts are generally current and informative. 
  • Normally a blog is an informal way to communicate with the audience. It is interactive in nature. Visitors can express their opinion and communicate with the owners or other visitors. 
  • Anyone may have a blog whether it is an organization or individual. 
  • Blog is considered as Digital Magazine as the recent contents are shown at the top. 
  • A blog has a definite layout and shape. It is not as flexible as website. But you can easily change the design and layout just by using a different template!
  • You don't need to be an expert to maintain a blog. "
 
"A website is normally owned by an organization that contains the information about products and services of that organization. Normally a website doesn't publish new posts like a blog. Rather it adds data to the pages. To have a clear idea please look at the points below:
  • Normally a website is more versatile and flexible than a blog.
  • Coding knowledge is crucial for developing a website. As it is coded by a trained developer, the website can be customized according to the requirements. 
  • Interactivity doesn't exits in a website usually. Because most of the websites excludes comment option. 
  • It is a formal way of communication about products and services. "

 Ano Mr. Del, naliwanagan ka na ba?

Pero tulad ng sabi ko, hindi ko na sana ito itotopic para na rin hindi ka mapahiya, at kahit itopic ko ito, hindi mo rin naman ako papaniwalaan dahil mahilig ka maniwala sa MALI. Kahit naman kasi anong sabihin ko para sayo ay MALI ako kaya wala kang kakwenta-kwenta ka argumento.

Eto pa pagmamayabang ni Del:

AGAIN MALING MALI INTINDI MO, ANG SINASABI KO AY
PWEDENG PWEDENG TAWAGING WEBSITE ANG ISANG BLOG
PWEDENG PWEDENG TAWAGING WEBSITE ANG ISANG BLOG
PWEDENG PWEDENG TAWAGING WEBSITE ANG ISANG BLOG
PWEDENG PWEDENG TAWAGING WEBSITE ANG ISANG BLOG
TALIWAS SA SINASABI MONG:
MALI DIN NA TAWAGING WEBSITE ANG BLOG KO.

Wala akong sinasabing HINDI PUPUWEDE na tawaging website ang isang blog.

Alam mo, sa mundong ito, LAHAT PWEDE kung gugustuhin mo.
 
Pwede ka magsinungaling.
Pwede ka manloko.
Pwede ka mag drugs.
Pwede kang magnakaw.
Pwede kang magsuicide.
Pwede kang pumatay.

PWEDE lahat kung GUGUSTUHIN MO, buhay mo naman yan eh. Pero kahit PWEDE, MALI ANG MGA ITO.

Pwede mo tawagin ang aking blog na web log, web site, site, blog site, diary, journal, weblog o kung ano ano pa man. Pero sinabi ko na, na ito ay aking BLOG, muli, BLOG KO TO, GETS?

Kaya MALI talaga na tawagin mo ang blog ko na website, kahit pwede.

Ang lion ay isang uri ng pusa, pero ang LION ay hindi equals PUSA. Kung one and the same pala ito, bakit hindi na lang lion ang inaalagaan ng mga tao sa bahay?

Ganun din ang wolf at ang aso, kung ang WOLF=ASO bakit hindi ka mag ampon ng wolf at pakawalan mo sa bahay?

Alam ko hanggang ngayon di mo pa rin ito magets at matanggap. Wala na akong magagawa diyan. Matanggal ko ng tanggap na kahit kelan hindi kayang mag agree sakin ng mga catholic defenders na makikitid ang utak at kahit kelan hindi kayang maintindihan ng mga catholic defenders na sinungaling ang katotohanan.


June 24, 2012

Tawa pala ang taktika sa debate ng CFD President ng Davao City



Yan ang Part3 ng debate ng Catholic Church: CFD President ng Davao City Mr. Ryan Mejillano at Iglesia ni Cristo: Ministro ng lokal ng Mintal, Davao City Ka Julius Cutin. Edited yung buong video ng debate para PUMABOR ang mga manonood ng youtube sa kanila, ang galing diba?

Kaya inupload ko yung video kasama ang comment ko sa ginagawa nila. Kung napansin ninyo, puro TAWA ang ginawa ng walang manners na CFD, hindi lang CFD, kundi PRESIDENTE ng CFD Davao chapter, wow. hehehe

Eto ang Edited videos nila, sa nangyaring debate sa Elenita Heights, Davao City noong June 12, 2012:

Part 1




Part 2




Part 3
nasa taas


Part 4




Part 5




Kayo na ang humusga. Nakita nyo ba kung gaano kadisiplinado ang mga katoliko sa likod ng humahawak ng camera? At kung ano ang dalawang nakakahiyang taktika nila sa debate? Ano nga ba?

Ang TAWA at ang "NEXT QUESTION" hehehe

Ganun pala makapagdebate ang presidente ng CFD, wow, amazing. Makikita nyo kung paano kinakaya-kaya ng CFD ang ministro ng INC, na para bang ginaganun ganun lang, pero nakita nyo kung paano sumagot ang ministro ng INC, mula sa bibliya! Yung CFD galing sa mga xerox at scratch paper yung sagot nila eh, nagpakita pa ng PASUGO kung saan may rebulto ang Ka Felix.

Dyan natin nakikita kung gaano sila KAHINA umintindi. Wala namang doktrina sa INC na bawal LAHAT ng uri at klase ng rebulto o imahen, ang bawal sa bibliya (hindi imbento ng mga ministro) eh yung imahen at rebulto na pinapasan, pinuprusisyon, dinadalanginan, inaalayan ng kandila, bulaklak at mga alay na pagkain at kung ano ano pa, nagpapakita ng pagsamba o excessive adoration at ginagawang tagapamagitan sa Dyos.

Ang rebulto ni Ka Felix ay katulad ng NORMAL at ORDINARYONG rebulto ni Rizal at iba pa, ginawa upang ALALAHANIN lamang, yun lang ang purpose ng rebulto, hindi ito ginawa upang sambahin at dasalan at ihilera sa altar kasama ang kinikilala nilang Dyos.

Pero sa kabuuan ng debate, natutuwa ako dahil etong si Mr. Ryan eh hindi katulad ng Paring si Abe na may blog na "The Splendor of the church" at si Catholicdefender2000 na ang babastos ng bunganga na parang di nakapag aral. Sport tong si Mr. Ryan kahit na ang ginawa nya sa buong debate eh tumawa ng tumawa, atlis nakikipagkamay sya at may paggalang sya sa ministro at sa Iglesia ni Cristo kahit papaano, hindi nya sinasabing Iglesia ni Manalo o kung ano pa man.

June 22, 2012

The Iglesia ni Cristo is owned by Bro. Felix Manalo said by a Catholic defender


Catholicdefender2000, a jealous catholic defender is again making lies on his ANTI-INC blog that purpose to show the true colors of Catholic defenders in the Philippines.

He made opinions about my article here entitled "Bro. Felix Manalo is the founder of the Church of Christ? Who said?", he obviously did not showed the whole content of my post because he is afraid of the truth as the lie which he still spreads were answered in the said article. You judge, click here.

See? And his cowardliness to answer my inquiry on him, i will ask this to you again Catholicdefender2000, show us you are a man of TRUTH!

"Why do you call me a minister while i said on my blog that i am just a member? You already recognized me many times as a MEMBER, right? Why do you still keep on making lies?"

Of course he will not answer this question^^

Let us just follow the bible:

"Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Matt. 15:14

This Catholic defender is shown to lead his fellow Catholics into a pit. They are all blinds, blind of the TRUTH, they believe the lies which he created.


Lets go back on the topic...

Let us read his post... (Red= my response)

_______________________________

FACT: The Iglesia ni Cristo® was FOUNDED by FELIX MANALO!

Who said it?

(YOU. IT IS YOU WHO CLAIMED IT.)

JESUS CHRIST said so (Mt. 16:18)
"And so I say to you, you are Peter [not Felix Manalo], and upon this rock I [not Felix Manalo] will build my [not Manalo] church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."[Christ's original Church will not be re-established!!! Hell shall NOT prevail!]

(Yes. Perfect. Thanks for posting this verse. It is our Lord Jesus Christ, and not Bro. Felix Manalo who built the church!)



PASUGO November 1940, p. 23:
“There is only one who could build a Church worthy for God. Who is He-- Only Jesus Christ. No man-- whether wise or fool, whether small or great-- has the right to build a Church." [FYM is a man, fool, made himself great has no right!]

PASUGO August-September 1964, p. 5, "Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa INK-1914"
“When was the INK recorded or registered in the Philippines? It was in July 27, 1914. Truly the registration says Brother F. Manalo founded the INK."

(Oh yes. It is Jesus Christ, the only TRUE FOUNDER of the Church of Christ and not Bro. Felix Manalo. Oh yes. Its a FACT that what was written in the incorporation of the church is that Bro. Felix is the founder or the executive minister of the church because the LAW REQUIRES IT.

And it is Bro. Felix Manalo, the instrument of God in re establishing the church in the Far East which is in the prophecy, it is Bro. Felix's responsibility to register the church in the government for law reasons, Christ will not come down here from heaven just to sign the articles of incorporation because the second coming of Christ is in the judgment day.)



PASUGO May 1968, p. 7:
“The true Church of Christ is only one. This is the Church that Christ built. If there are established (founded) churches today that claim to be the Church of Christ too, these are not real but fakes only." [INC founded recently in 1914 is fake-thanks Pasugo!]

FELIX MANALO
"Why, who is Quirino? He is a man just the same as I am. I am not afraid of him. Show fear to no man--that is the best way to defend your rights. Member of MY CHURCH were beaten up..." [Confirmation came right from the mouse of the horse!]

(Wow. An intelligent understanding of statements! or is it "MALIGNING of statements?^^"
Sabi ko na sa inyo, mahina talaga yan umintindi! Yan ang ebidensya. hehehe

I am inviting you Catholicdefender2000 to visit MY CHURCH, even just once!^^)

MANILA BULLETIN, May 10, 2007, Birthday of Felix Manalo
We greet Executive Minister Eraño G. Manalo, the Officials and Members of Iglesia Ni Cristo, as they celebrate the 121st birth anniversary of their founder, Felix Y. Manalo."

PHILIPPINE STAR Sept. 02, 2009, By Katherine Adraneda
Manalo was executive minister of the two-million-strong Iglesia ni Cristo (INC, or Church of Christ), founded by Eraño’s father Felix Manalo in 1914.

PHILIPPINE STAR, March 25, 2012, By Sionil Jose
"One notable statement made by Felix Manalo, Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) founder, when I interviewed him in the ‘50s..."

MANILA BULLETIN, July 26, 2011, Editorial

MANILA, Philippines — The first church of the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) was established in Punta, Santa Ana, Manila, on July 27, 1914.


Its founder, Brother Felix Y. Manalo, a young man who had been in search of the truth, had drifted from one religious organization to another before he established the Iglesia ni Cristo.

MANCHESTER CONFIDENTIAL, May 1st
"Whether Rylands would have approved of the fanatical and controversial INC is another matter, particularly the claim of founder Felix Manalo that he was the last messenger, sent by God..."

PHILIPPINE INQUIRER, April 21st, 2012, by Rudy M. Viernes
INC has been steadily spreading everywhere since its founding in the Philippines in 1914 by Felix M. Manalo, its Supremo, who died in 1963. It is a large, tightly knit indigenous Christian religious group that counts millions of members nationwide. According to the National Statistics Office in Manila, 2.3 percent of the entire Philippine population of 93 million is an INC affiliate. Its present head is Executive Minister Eduardo V. Manalo, the eldest son of Felix.
SUNSTAR quoted Bienvenido Santiago, INC's Spokesperson, February 28, 2012
“The Iglesia Ni Cristo has been holding such gatherings in various places on a regular basis since the time of its first Executive Minister, Brother Felix Y. Manalo, who established the INC’s first congregation in the Philippines in 1914...” [Santiago, INC's official Spokesperson should have said "Brother Felix Y. Manalo, who RE-established the INC..."]
WOW BATANGAS, Sept. 03, 2009
Ka Erdie was the fifth son of INC founder, Felix Manalo and his second wife Honorata de Guzman.
MANILA BULLETIN, Feb. 27, 2012, by Madel R. Sabater
In a statement, INC spokesman Bienvenido Santiago said, “The Iglesia Ni Cristo has been holding such gatherings in various places on a regular basis since the time of its first Executive Minister, Brother Felix Y. Manalo who established the INC’s first congregation in the Philippines in 1914.”
NEWSFLASH, Sept. 03, 2009
Manalo was executive minister of the two-million-strong Iglesia ni Cristo (INC, or Church of Christ), founded by Eraño’s father Felix Manalo in 1914.

MANILA BULLETIN, Jan. 02, 2012
Born on January 2, 1925, Ka Erdie took over the church on the death on April 12, 1963, of his father INC founder Felix Y. Manalo. The officials and members of the INC looked upon Ka Erdie, who followed the example of his father, as their guiding light and inspiration.

MANILA BULLETIN, July 26, 2011, Editorial
MANILA, Philippines — The first church of the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) was established in Punta, Santa Ana, Manila, on July 27, 1914.


Its founder, Brother Felix Y. Manalo, a young man who had been in search of the truth, had drifted from one religious organization to another before he established the Iglesia ni Cristo.

MANILA BULLETIN, Sept. 01, 2009, By Leslie Ann G. Aquino
Born on Jan. 17, 1925, Erano took over the church upon the death in 1963 of his father, INC founder Felix Manalo.

Encyclopedia Britannica, Article: Iglesia ni Kristo (Filipino church)
"...the largest entirely indigenous Christian church in the Philippines. Its members assert that the early Christian church was restored in God’s chosen nation, the Filipinos, when Felix Manalo launched this church in 1914. Rapid growth after 1945 produced some 600,000 members…"

WIKIPEDIA, On Article Felix Manalo
Because there were no precursors to the registered church, external sources and critics of the Iglesia ni Cristo refer to him as the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo and describe him as such but the official INC doctrines claim otherwise..." [Its members asserts otherwise.]

WORLDIQ, on Article Felix Manalo
Felix Ysagun Manalo is the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo, a church founded in the Philippines in 1914.

(The MEDIA said the founder of the INC is Bro. Felix Manalo, but the church believes it is our Lord Jesus Christ who founded the Iglesia ni Cristo^^ It is nonmembers who claims the founder was Bro. Felix)

TIMELINE OF CHRISTINITY
1914 Iglesia ni Cristo incorporated in the Philippines

(Based on Isaiah 43:5-6, a prophecy on the bible)


MATTHEW 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven..."
MATTHEW 7:20
"So by their fruits you will know them."

2 John 1:7 (Read Deceivers of the Faith
Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist.

("
I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God, but you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that." John 8:40)

______________________________

I will quote from my post "Bro. Felix Manalo is the founder of the Church of Christ? Who said?" for you to remember:

MEDIA and nonmembers says Bro. Felix Manalo is the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Church of Christ. While we and the Holy Scriptures says that it is our Lord Jesus Christ is the TRUE founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Church of Christ.


Media vs. Bible, who tells the TRUTH?



Again, we never and will not recognize Bro. Felix Manalo as the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo. It is not US, who says Bro. Felix is the founder but those who are not MEMBERS of the church.


June 5, 2012

Finally, a catholic defender recognize Christ's Church as "Iglesia ni Cristo"!

Thank God, an anti-INC blogger called Catholicdefender2000 is accepting the truth that Christ's church is called "Iglesia ni Cristo"! We are glad that for the sake of the truth, you are going against the Catholic Church's doctrines, Im proud of you!

He even call his church as "Iglesia ni Cristo" (Note: Not a descriptive title because it starts in capital letters) instead of "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church" as what their doctrine states to be the true church of Christ.

At first, he believe that the church that Christ built is the Catholic Church:


And after realizing the truth, the fact that the name of the church which our Lord Jesus Christ built was "Church of Christ" and not "Catholic Church" he was now truly enlightened with the teachings of the INC about the name of Christ's church!

Proofs:



He even made a blog entitled "Iglesia ni Cristo 33 A.D"



For Truth's sake, he is going against the Catholic Church's doctrine, wow! Forgetting about his pledge:


May 25, 2012

Numbers of adherents, a big deal?



A jealous Catholic defender is again making posts on his blog quoting the MEDIA, yes the media again, about the total membership in the Iglesia ni Cristo.

It is a fact that the church did not ever published an exact numbers of members in history of the INC. Nonmembers make different estimations, from local to foreign media, different institutions, individuals, politicians and so on.

Some says its 10 million, so what?
8 million, so what?
6 million, so what?
4 million, so what?
2 million, SO WHAT?
1 million, SOO WHAAT??
500,000, SOOO WHAAAT???
100,000, SOOOO WHAAAAT????
1,000, SOOOOO WHAAAAAT?????

even it is just 10 people, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHHAAAAAATTTTTT??????


Who cares anyway?


Why is it that they are the ones(nonmembers) who are AFFECTED about the number of adherents in the Iglesia ni Cristo? Is it that WE are the ones that SHOULD BE affected if that will be the case???

Is it the INC who makes the estimation?

Who should be blamed by the jealous Catholic Defender, as he claimed, that the TRUE numbers of members are only 1,000,000 or 2 million plus and accuse that the INC makes bloated figures, is it really the INC who does that? Who should this Catholic defender blame?

Let us ask Catholic.com:

"The Iglesia keeps the exact number of members secret, but it is estimated to be between three million and ten million worldwide. It is larger than the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a better known sect (which also claims to be Christ’s true Church)."
______________________________


"Yes, if two or three people are together believing in me, I am there with them.” Matt. 18:20

The ancient Israel was the first nation of God, he did not choose them because they are many or the majority:


“The Lord did not set his love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples.” Deut. 7:7

In time of Noah, only 8 people were saved by God, not the many:


“And did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;” II pet. 2:5
When Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, only LOT and his 2 daughters were saved:


So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived. Gen. 19:29

Now, i am saying this to this jealous Catholic defender and to others who still make estimations and accused the INC as if the estimates of numbers of adherents came from the INC, i say,


SO WHAT???

August 31, 2011

Thanks to Catholicdefender2000!



I would like to thank Catholicdefender2000 on visiting my blog frequently, because its pretty obvious^^



I dont know if he want to imitate my works or what, i just noticed this:







And for featuring episodes of INC programs in his blog, not just once but several times:















Thanks for those efforts, im glad that you help us on spreading what's in the INC, thanks for the misunderstandings you write up on your blog because it shows that you have a DUMB thinking.



Its also obvious, let your readers JUDGE YOU!^^





November 6, 2010

Catholicdefender2000 admits he's a "gay" coward catholic defender of lies part 2









This is the last time i will answer the lies of this aggressive Catholic defender who's main purpose is to defend their church even it is wrong and accuse the INC and the members of everything, malign, and do what their 'masters' (Sr. catholic defenders) told to them... Im tired answering him for he is not capable to understand others especially if it is FROM THE INC MEMBERS and other faiths. Even i used very simple english words, still, because of being close minded, and his acts of being evil, cannot classify what is truth and lie.



This is the same reason why i leave the catholic.com forums, the splendor of the church, tumbukin natin, and that i stop arguing to Forest King (who's active in my blog)... I observed catholics who defend their faith were all UNITED in bringing down their opponent, they are all close minded, and lastly cannot agree to the statements of their non members especially INC members. For example:



All knows that 1+1=2, question: 1+1?

then an INC member say its 2, even they know the answer, catholic defenders will still point out that the INC member is false in his answer.



That is the reality in the forums, where majority are Catholics, even they are wrong, they will still find an answer for they will not be embarrassed and will not lose the argument.



You can observe it even in this Catholic defender, Mr. CatholicDefender2000, even he knows the truth, even a simple thing he cannot agree to me. It is because SATAN will not ever agree to the TRUTH.





Lets go back to the topic,



He's post "Dispeling lies in defending the Church of Christ 33 A.D part 2" (click for the full content, i will just quote some lies, i mean content of what he posted^_^)



In his introduction he said:



At this time, Mr. readme, an Iglesia ni Cristo member is ONE STEP closer to being a CATHOLIC BASHER more than being an INC Defender.


Unable to answer my post, he resorted to NAME-CALLING:



Am i a basher for you? Just because you become embarrassed that you has been beaten in an argument who is not skilled, trained and especially younger than you?^_^ Who is the one WHO CANNOT ANSWER POSTS? I will show you who really he is, later!



He then show my statements and number it from 1-24. He continued...



Response 1: Thanks for trying your best to be ‘honest’ but your honesty is not what's expected of someone who trumpetted he ‘BELONGS’ to a ‘TRUE CHURCH’ and YET nothing TRUTHFULNESS comes out of his mouth?


If you REALLY are convinced that you belong to a “true Church’ then why are you LYING?


Be TRUTHFUL! Practice Christian Charity and be PRUDENT in your language. That way people may believe you.


But of course you don’t! That’s the reason why you are always CAUGHT off-handed saying things but doing exactly the opposite. Because of your habitial LYING people believe that that's what is expected of you anyway.



What LIES are you talking about, by the way? If i lie, what BENEFITS WOULD I GET, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I do not blog to create lies and etc, if it is the reason, then should not create this blog, because its nonsense and the effort is useless. Even you say and post to your blog that you are in truth and that you are not lying, well, the question is: ARE THE READERS ARE SO FOOL (like you) to believe you? you cannot brainwash the readers because you are already exposed on your WRONG DOINGS!



So you’re NOT “HIDING” and yet you DON’T WANT to reveal your name...(??)


Your statements are very much baffling. They’re really very confusing to your readers I guess. That’s another way of saying “Look ma, I’m not breathing” and yet you’re screaming!


You said:
"...if I will reveal my photos and full name, and then what? Edit my pictures, get my name and do stories/lies and whatsoever?"


Aha! So that’s EXACTLY what you did to me, right?!


First you STOLE my photos!
You EDITED my photos!
GET my NAME!
Do STORIES/LIES


THANKS for your honesty anyway!


Announcing before the world of what you exactly DID to my PHOTOS is in itself the FINEST demonstration of your STUPIDITY (that’s from your own words)! Thanks indeed! I feel more relieved!



You still do not answer my question, IS USING A USERNAME INSTEAD OF REAL NAME, mean HIDING? Then all the people who use the internet, you accuse of HIDING! Even your fellow catholics in forums are HIDING! because they use username instead of REAL NAME like yours! You use Catholicdefender2000 instead of your full name ERNESTO VASOL. And please stop creating LIES! Do i edit your photo when i post it here in my blog? HERE READERS YOU CAN SEE HOW HE ACCUSE ME OF EVERYTHING I DO NOT DID TO HIM! Catholicdefender2000 just reflects other catholics and their beloved ROMAN church for doing evil things.



"MGA MAKASALANAN!"



He said:



In the same way, His TRUE CHURCH was PERSECUTED for centuries. And they’re still PERSECUTED in the Middle East, in communist countries, Muslim countries, and other countries that DO NOT believe in God.


And among all the false claimnant, there is only ONE Church that is GENUINELY Christ's: it's the CATHOLIC CHURCH says PASUGO April 1966, p. 46!
“Mind your own business”?


Yes! We CATHOLIC DEFENDERS do mind our own business. We stick to issues NOT on PERSONALITIES.


We, Catholic Defenders may NOT agree with Iglesia ni Cristo's doctrines but that doesn't mean we hate its members. We look at its members like souls needing much of our prayers.


But if we do the same things you do, then we are not different from you. You attack INDIVIDUALS and PRIVATE peoples, INTIMIDATE, THREAT and HUMILIATE them only strengthens our position.


Yes we do mind our business Mr. readme. That's the HUGE DIFFERENCE between us debaters/defenders FROM you as bashers/bigots.



Oh yes, the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST should expect persecution...



"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. " Matt 10: 22
Members will be hated because of Christ's name that's why most nonmembers especially here in the Philippines persecute in any ways INC members, saying all lies, accusations and etc... All because we are members of Iglesia ni Cristo, or Church of Christ, because in Christ's name we are persecuted not in way the Catholics are persecuted. Yes, catholics in Muslim countries even killed, because they are CATHOLICS. They died, injured, persecuted as they are in the "HOLY APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH", not in Christ's name, but in the name of "Roman Catholic Church"... And please be truthful on saying statements like "but that doesn't mean we hate its members.", do i need to post evidences that will make your statement WRONG?^_^



Do Catholic Defenders really love INC members especially when they call us "MANALISTA/MANOLONIANS"? or mga "Iglesia ni Manalo"? Even though in the fact that, in any way, WE DO NOT WORSHIP BRO. FELIX MANALO AND HIS FAMILY?



Dont again accuse me of DOING THINGS which others DID TO YOU! I agree, there is a HUGE diff. between unofficial INC defenders and OFFICIAL Catholic defenders, CD defends even the wrongness of its members and church, and defending their church by accusing the INC and its members!



He further said:



An additional BONUS, see for yourselves how "sir" CONRAD J. OBLIGACION and Mr. README are IDENTICAL? Their argument, their style of DISCREDITING Catholic Defenders by calling them "gays"? Parehong Pareho!


Excuse me Mr. grade 1 thinker, I do not accuse you and say that you are a "gay" just because i like to insult you, let me again repost my statement, if you always have an amnesia,



AND IF you cannot answer this, ONE MORE POST OF YOURS “ANSWERING/QUOTING” MY POST HERE, I WILL THEN BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRULY “GAY” (as what Brad Conrad exposed) COWARD CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES!


I said I will the BELIEVE that you are a truly "GAY" (as what Bro. Conrad exposed)!! Not because it is my opinion and accusation... And also because i challenge you that if you AGAIN answer/quote my post here in my blog without answering my question/challenge (as its has a rules indicated), then we can believe, without being guilty of giving an accusation, that you are a GAY coward catholic defender of lies! But then you have proven it! By broking the rules in my question/challenge to you!!



He said:



Response 3: Who'd be interested in my "handsomeness"? So far, nly CONRAD J. OBLIGACION has done that and you actually COPIED his style. Deny again that you are NOT "sir" Conrad 'coz you're just a student and you wished to be like "sir" Conrad.


NO ONE is interested, you are the one who is interested to your photo by PRAISING it. I do not, in any way, copy styles of other bloggers, in my style of blogging. Because my blogging is informative if it will be compared to other INC bloggers especially to you! because your kind of blogging is like you were possessed by the forces of evil!



You are pleasured if you accused the Church, you are pleasured if you post links to the anti-blogs created by INC's critics...




And FYI: if you really have a BRAIN, compare my blogging to Bro. Conrad, its have a BIG DIFFERENCE! He posts little info, and his english is better than me ("syempre! nag aaral pa lang ako e!"^_^) but atleast i try to develop my english grammars even though im just doing a self study-learning in these matters including my faith!





He said:



Response 5: Oh, sorry. I didn’t know that when you denied being “sir” Conrad J. Obligacion, that’s considered a “FACT”.


Ok, that’s fine with me “sir” Conrad. Sorry for having "small minds" to know which is 'factual' from 'opinion'. You're intelligence is superb. No feebleminded man has matched that!


It is because i will not get any benefit if I LIED, not like you and other catholic defenders who wants always to get some +points in their opponents in arguing even they use lies, accusations and etc. in defending their faith. Because even i say the truth, still you will not agree to me because im an INC member. And thank you for honoring me, it is nice for someone who is OLDER than you, and EXPECTED to KNOW MORE THAN YOU, HONORS YOU! Im touched!! (haha)



He continued...



When your own Ministers squamble with their HISTORICAL SOURCES about the origin of the Church (just as what you also believed):



•Minister Emiliano Magtuto--PASUGO Nov. 1956, p. 18: -- 44 B.C.

•Minister Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Feb. 1959, p. 1: -- 400 A.D.

•Minister Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Aug. 1962, p. 3: -- 1870 A.D.

•Minister Teofilo C. Ramos -- PASUGO Mar. 1956, p. 25: -- 1870 A.D.

•Minister Joaquin Balmores -- PASUGO Feb. 1952, p. 9: -- 400 A.D.



We said wrong. That's because our history dates back to the times of the Apostles which agrees with historical facts in encyclopedia and history books!



Look! When your own founder Felix Manalo accused the Catholic Church of being “apostatized”, we came with for and answer


When your own founder claimed to be “the Last Messenger” we said, there’s no need for Christ is the Last Messengers. Among those who compete with your claims are Islam’s prophet Muhammad and Joseph Smith of the Mormons.


When you said that your Iglesia is the ‘true Church’ we said, it’s not true because history says the Catholic Church is still the only Christian Church that traces its roots from the times of the Apostles.


When you attacked the Pope, the Saints, the Mass and our Catholic doctrines, we defended it without attacking private individuals's personalities.


Likewise, if YOU don't AGREE with our opinion, educate us and provide us with your OFFICIAL teachings WITHOUT attacking, intimidating, threatening or humiliating us. You can do it in a manner that is "gentleman" and "professional".


If you really want to project a good image of your Iglesia, treat anyone with kindness and explain your faith in humility and prudence. "Give the other cheek as well." Or still better "love your enemies."



All we did here is to DEFEND the CHURCH from your ATTACKS!


Our ministers just quote books, if you have problem with that, please blame the authors! About 1870, maybe you just MISINTERPRET the statement, especially on that date, the name "HOLY APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH" were established, so how can it be the church in the 1st century if only in 1870 the elders in your church unanimously decided that? Yes, it is very true the Catholic Church (now) can be traced its roots from the times of the Apostles, only the church, not the Church's name and the doctrines and traditions!!



I then give you one of the THOUSANDS evidence who to blame for



" WITHOUT attacking, intimidating, threatening or humiliating us. You can do it in a manner that is "gentleman" and "professional"."






He continued...





Response 23: Why are you sooooooo HOMOPHOBIC? A supposed straight "MAN"so extremely insecure of gays is quite revealing? ^_^



Response 24: Ok, so for Iglesia ni Cristo members like you, your STANDARDS is that those who are HIDING, LYING, CHEATING, DECEIVING, are actually 'GAYS' and 'COWARDS'?


Why that believing you as a "gay" a very big deal?^_^ I just BELIEVE what Bro. CONRAD say UNTO YOU.



AS YOU BROKE WHAT I CHALLENGE/SAY TO YOU! That's all.^_^




It is YOU WHO chose to "answer" or post again what i post here, without answering DIRECTLY my question-challenge to you. Then its you who give us PERMISSION to believe it! Because you did not do what i said, so sorry! BLAME YOURSELF!^_^



In the last part of his post, he made a comparison between INC/INC members and Catholic church/Catholic defenders, then he asked...



So who are COWARDS? Who are "GAYS"?


Readback and see how he expresses himself "Don't be so PAKIALAMERO"! hmmm.. very manly expression dugh...



Ok, apply your standards!


It still YOU. Why? (^_^)



Let us summarized our argument...



You say i accused you when i say these things:



*He quotes some Pasugo statements and misinterprets what it contains, to favor with his side. AND ETC.



It is not an accusation Mr. Catholicdefender2000, ITS AN OBSERVATION!

However, it is YOU who PROVEN to us that what i observed is actually what you do! Like this observation:



*When “answering/quoting” my post, he only show SOME and not ALL what it contained, he only picks some of the information that he can ANSWER.


Then, READ YOUR LAST POST. YOU numbered my statements from 1-24, and your response is only for numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,12,23 and 24. SEE? Is my OBSERVATIONS WRONG??!



It is YOU who PICKS statements of mine, answer what you only CAN ANSWER!



Its not that being "coward"? Like answering my question-answer INDIRECTLY? I said post DOCTRINES and etc. not LINKS! ITS VERY CLEAR. But because "ALAM MO NA ANG KAHAHANTUNGAN" if you will answer my challenge DIRECTLY, you just addressed me to the links! Tsk. Tsk.



I do not have standards in calling someone a "gay" only if he ADMITS he was, like you, you admit BEING a "gay" by doing such acts. BROKING THE RULES OF THE CHALLENGE. Then, its our turn to believe what Bro. CONRAD exposed, Youre a "GAY" CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES.





p.s

Again, its not my accusation/my own who call you that, its from others, we just believe what others say also because PROVES IT!





By the way, in the 3rd time, i will ask, WHERE is the link, about this 'FACTS' you posted!??







^_^



November 2, 2010

Catholicdefender2000 admits he’s a “gay” coward catholic defender of lies







Here is what he replied to me from what I posted here entitled “How to create lies?”, this is what he replied: (click on the link to see the full content, I will just quote some of what he posted)



Yes, my name is Ernesto. And can I ask some few favors?

  • HOW ABOUT you, what's your REAL NAME?

  • Why are you HIDING?

  • Why are you AFRAID to show your photo?

  • Why are you SCARED to reveal yourself?

I understand, it's pretty much scary revealing yourself when there are a lot of people who are after you.



And how gentleman are you by posting my photo? Is this a normal practice in your cult? Do you have the BALLS to post yours too?



First of all, why do you want to know my real name? WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION? And im not hiding, what then is wrong if I use my username “readme” instead of using my name? Is it already “HIDING?”

Let me answer your (and many liar catholic defenders) accusations…

I use my username for personal reasons, im not a fool (like you^_^) if I will reveal my photos and full name, and then what? Edit my pictures, get my name and do stories/lies and whatsoever? Like what they do to the pictures of Bro. Felix Manalo and others here in the INC? (I know that if it is not an ADD member, it’s an aggressive catholic defender!) Im not stupid to reveal my PERSONAL INFO.

Especially there are many critics to the INC, who possessed by demons to persecute the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST like what they do to our Lord Jesus Christ. If other will compare INC defenders to Catholic defenders, hello? Catholic defenders lets say are “official”, and it depends on the DECISION of the blogger (what religion he maybe) if he/she will use his/her name in defending their religion! “MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS”,

I don’t care if you reveal your identity or what, the important thing is, WE COMMUNICATE. That is the reason why we are here in the internet, TO COMMUNICATE, and it is your OBLIGATION to respect the decision of each other.

Don’t be “PAKIALAMERO!”^_^

About posting your picture, please don’t blame me, BLAME YOURSELF FOR DOING SO, the picture is in your blog on kawakayan, in the top of your blog, proudly presenting your “HANDSOMENESS” (as I read one of your post claiming/proudly saying to yourself youre “handsome”)





if it is came from your PERSONAL accounts like twitter of facebook, that’s the time you COMPLAIN! Don’t complain for you are the ONE who post your picture IN PUBLIC for everyone to see…

He said:



That's the reason why most of Catholics and non-INC members whom you have LAMBASTED are certain that you are CONRAD J. OBLIGACION in disguise? Well, actually you've done that many times don't you?

I am beginning to wonder what INTERESTS do Iglesia ni Cristo apologists and what PLEASURE do they get in posting NAMES and PHOTOS of those critical to their cult?

This common practice done by members of the Iglesia ni Cristo is obviously BEYOND what is acceptable in basic journalism. I think I have the REASON to be ALARMED by this BEHAVIOR. I can say, whatever happens to me or my family, you know whom to point a finger.

By posting my name and my photo, they are suggesting that I am NOT anymore SAFE from their MOB just like what happened to members of their rival Ang Dating Daan of Mr. Eliseo Soriano.

Am I among their HITLIST? May God have mercy on my soul.



Hey Mr. Catholicdefender2000, I only wonder why you (and other catholic defenders) blame me for doing what Bro. Conrad does? And blaming him for what I does? Why it is hard for your small brain to accept the FACT that I am not Bro. Conrad? WHAT WILL BE MY BENEFITS if I will say I am not Bro.Conrad?

Will I have money? house and lot? Chicks? ++pogi points? Salvation? WHAT????

EXCUSE ME, you are not the one who I presented in their TRUE names and FACES especially they presented theirself in their real names and photos, MAKE A RESEARCH FIRST before saying anything ok? Please see my posts!!!!



How to ignore a question?

How to answer indirectly?

How not to answer a question?



NOW TELL ME, are you the first in the LIST??

You make me laugh on your statement! A REAL JOKER! Hahaha I like it! Catholicdefender2000 is being so exaggerated so that, as I RECENTLY EXPOSED, he will have +points and so people will have a bad impression to me and US! It is stated above, IS IT CLEAR NOW?

“HITLIST”? haha do blogging nowadays can HURT people PHYSICALLY? Please don’t CREATE LIES, you just show your TRUE COLOR!

As what I said on my earlier post before this:



“*He makes lies, accusations and makes statements exaggerated so that readers will have a bad impression/thinking about his opponent, making him to win the argument.”



He said:



Mr. readme accused me of:

*He quotes some Pasugo statements and misinterprets what it contains, to favor with his side.

No, please do not inject lies to your own readers. In fact, it's YOU who FAILED to provide your readers with REFERENCES, did you?

In my desire to be balanced and credible in my opinion, I quoted your PASUGO because it's INC's OFFICIAL STATEMENT written by LEGITIMATE Ministers. If I lied, what benefit will I get from it? What kind of Catholic am I if I would quote your official magazine just "to favor" my my side? What kind of "defender" am I if I'd be doing this all for lies?

Let's say for example: PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5

“Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."

What better interpretation can you offer from this very SIMPLE quotable quotes from your Pasugo?

Did your Minister lie? Isn't it, this is what's exactly written in Wikipedia?

Instead of accusing me of lying how about explaining to us those quotations what do they really mean according to your (Iglesia) understanding?



By the way, WHO IS THE ONE WHO DOES NOT PROVIDE A LINK, a link to my post when you “answer/quote” it? But sorry, im not a bias like you that’s why as possible I present links especially to your POST (even you are my opponent in this arguing) so that readers will read what you really REPLIED, not what you are doing, you quote some of my post so that those “pick-up” statements from me, on what you CAN ONLY ANSWER!

Please don’t be childish in thinking, you are OLDER than me, I know you can understand STATEMENTS. What’s the contradiction in the belief of ours with the statement from Pasugo? By the way, WHAT DO YOU WANT INC TO PUT IN THE REGISTRY AS THE FOUNDER OF THE CHURCH, JESUS CHRIST? Hello? (haha^_^) What do you expect to the employees in the government to react especially Christ died HUNDRED YEARS AGO? Would your teacher believe you when you say your father is the president of the Philippines?

That’s why we recognize Bro. Felix Manalo as an instrument of God, he used as INSTRUMENT to preach and everything his TRUE gospel, so, whom do you expect to DO the registry in the government for the church? God? Jesus Christ? Mary? WHO? For example im here abroad but i have a mission in the Philippines to do, what I do is to call a friend (in the Philippines “syempre!”) and he/she is the one who will do my mission (because im abroad), and my mission will be done WITHOUT going in the PHILIPPINES.

WILL I REPEAT THIS VERY SIMPLE EXPLANATION USING LIGHT ENGLISH WORDS TO YOU? IS IT STILL HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND CATHOLICDEFENDER2000? How about you? WHY ARE YOU HIDING in the username Catholicdefender2000 and why are you using the flag of Vatican as primary photo not your proudly claimed “handsome” pictures???^_^



He then said:



Mr. readme accused me of:

*He makes lies, accusations and makes statements exaggerated so that readers will have a bad impression/thinking about his opponent, making him to win the argument.

Which ones of my posts did I lie? Any reference please? I believe readers out there are not as "stupid" as you think.

It's not my intention to "win" an "argument". My sole intention is to dispel LIES and proclaim the SPLENDOR of the TRUTH in his CHURCH. As a Christian, it's my fervent desire that I may be God's instrument from preventing more ignorant Catholics from converting and bring back those who were led astray back to the TRUE FOLD-- the Catholic Church which is Christ's ORIGINAL CHURCH (PASUGO April 1966, p. 46). In this little effort I may find the rewards allotted to me by Jesus who's the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (John 14:6).



I do not need to give any reference, you know yourself! And readers of my blog are already AWARE on what you do, especially on CREATING LIES! May I ask, is this not being EXAGGERATED?:



“…I think I have the REASON to be ALARMED by this BEHAVIOR. I can say, whatever happens to me or my family, you know whom to point a finger. By posting my name and my photo, they are suggesting that I am NOT anymore SAFE from their MOB…”



??????????



He continued…



Mr. readme accused me of:

*He ALWAYS joins the topics about accusations in the INC whenever he would make a post to the INC like saying it is a corporation sole, that Bro. Felix vs. Trillaness issue is true that Trillaness won the case, INC is a cult, and many other! You can notice it while reading even just ONE post of him regarding the INC!

This I guarantee you. If your cult stops accusing Catholics and the Catholic Church of being from Satan then this blog will disappear.

But I am sorry if I would fail you. You will ALWAYS find me in defense of Christ's ORIGINAL Church as long as there are insecure cults out there lambasting God, Jesus, the Saints, the Pope and the Catholic Church which is Christ's true Church (PASUGO April 1966, p. 46).

About Rosita Trillanes, blame Rosita why she had to lie against your SUGO only to retract it later and be awarded by the man she accused of the position of being a DIAKONESA.



You know Catholicdefender2000, I really do not oppose to what you do in blogging, because its NORMAL for us to say to each other that we are in the wrong belief because we are in the different religion, to non-members, its NORMAL to say INC doctrines are wrong, what im complaining to non members and you is the saying of ACCUSATIONS, ALLEGATIONS, MYTHS and CREATING LIES, and MALIGNING THE CHURCH, that’s all!

I will not oppose if you make INC post saying that this doctrine of the INC is wrong then you will show biblical verses to show INC is wrong, but if you will put the said things(accusations and etc) in your post, then you are a FORCE OF EVIL that should be exposed by doing such. Yes, Mrs. Rosita is the one should blame for doing it, but I do not know about that thing that’s why I will have no comment to that. What I know is that Trillanes made a retraction, or a letter saying that what she did is wrong and she is saying sorry.

He further said:



Mr. readme accused me of:

*He quotes unreliable sources, and ANTI-INC blogs/sites/articles that he says “EXPOSE” the INC whenever he makes post about the church, making it favor for his intention, to debunk the INC!

Unreliable sources? Which of them?

The Iglesia ni Cristo according to Wikipedia?

The Iglesia ni Cristo according to Catholic Answers?

Ang pagbubunyag ng katotohanan ni G. Pinzon sa "Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa INK-1914"?

Actually I am still looking for a copy of Mr. Ignacio's book "QUO VADIS" . That alone answers your "Pandoktrina" brilliantly and intelligently. I can bet my soul in its accuracy and truthfulness.

Now tell us, which of those are "unreliable sources" and "anti-INC blogs"? Or you are just trying to negate them because they BORE THE DAMAGING TRUTH against your Iglesia?



Ok, are these can you called RELIABLE SOURCES/UNBIASED INFO???? (links taken from posts of Catholicdefender2000 about INC)







Like what you LIE that I am Bro. CONRAD? Quoting this VERY RELIABLE SOURCE COMING FROM AN ADDMEMBER WHO DO NOT KNOW THAT readme and resbak were TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!

Bravo Catholicdefender2000, great acting!^_^ It seems you are the one who is the “VICTIM” on having UNRELIABLE SOURCES!

He said:



Mr. readme accused me of:

*Whenever there is a member who argues with them, THEY (for most Catholic Defenders does it) always recognized them as a MINISTER, or high rank official in the INC, then make some accusations so that people will have a bad impression to us.

Have the power to show us the reason NOT to believe so.

In fact, it's YOU who give us the impression that you're a Minister.

Why? It's because you know almost everything. Say for example, the INC locales abroad, contact numbers of those Ministers designated, addresses, etc. Where have you gotten those information? Only an INSIDER can have the ACCESS that. It's YOU who posted those information. It's YOU who give us the reason to believe you are an INC Minister.



Really? Even though I said it SEVERAL TIMES THAT IM NOT A MINISTER? I am not surprised if you (and other catholic defenders) don’t believe me for SATAN will not BELIEVE in TRUTH! Again and again, if you LOVE TO QUOTE the Pasugo, please turn paugo issue pages at the back then the PLACES OF WORSHIP SERVICES ABROAD WERE PUBLISHED! Are you surprised to know that?^_^

IT IS YOU WHO GIVE US A REASON TO BELIEVE YOU ARE POSSESSED BY DEMONS!



He said:



Mr. readme accused me of:

*When “answering/quoting” my post, he only show SOME and not ALL what it contained, he only picks some of the information that he can ANSWER.

No. I answer all your accusations!



REALLY? LIAR! Don’t deny it, even you deny it, youre already exposed on what you really does! And about this:



“…because you CAN stubbornly DEFY your Ministers without fearing the threat of excommunication...”



The question is, DO the ministers knows me? That’s one of the reason why I don’t reveal my identity^_^ I know readers already read one of my post here the reason why im blogging about the church and that doesn’t RESULT TO EXPULSION, so exaggerated! WE ARE ONLY ADVISED, not a teaching! Hello? I have a big reason to do THESE (blogging and etc), one of the thousands reason is YOU.

He continued:



Biased?

I provided you OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS. Do you mean "biased" because those HISTORICAL FACTS were actually written by Catholics?

Well, that's because WE EXISTED and the Catholic Church was there when history unfolded.

In case Mr. readme doesn't know, the very reason why I oftentimes quoted their PASUGO Magazines is because IT IS OFFICIAL. It's not something like readme's opinion.

Although I may sound repetitive in quoting their PASUGO is because I want to establish the truth here according to its OFFICIAL pronouncements from its LEGITIMATE MINISTERS.



Is your OPINIONS were HISTORICAL FACTS??? I agree, you should quote the Pasugo and explain what it is really should be INTERPRETED! Like the bible… It is the Catholic priests/theologians/members who contradict each other especially on the teachings of the church. Please don’t say “establish truth” especially you quote Pasugo and misinterpret to favor your side, ok?^_^

He said:



In fact, you've done that in the past. You have followed me in Twitter, Facebook, and in my blog since the memorial. So please don't pretend as if this is the first time you came to know my name.

Here's for you: POST YOUR REAL NAME in your BLOG. Would you DARE?

I doubt it. Cowards don't do that. They attack from behind and keep hiding from their opponents, like a beast looking for someone to devour.



Again, blaming me for what others did to you? OH COME ON! Why would I follow you in twitter? I have even no twitter account because I don’t know how to use it, and in FACEBOOK? Hello? I only have 2 accounts in facebook, 1 is my personal account and the other account for “readme”. Why would I again post my real name? Only fools who do that especially to those who have many critics(because of religion) and active in blogging… Like you, A FOOL who post his pic. In his other blog and put his Full name proudly, then BLAMING ME for posting such TRUE information about him??? Tsk.

He said:



Mr. readme said...

That’s what im talking about, before this post, he said I AM JUST A MEMBER, but most of the time he recognize me as a MINISTER for he cannot accept that im just a college student for I have a greater knowledge THAN him, (haha) or greater skills in arguments maybe he’s so jealous. By the way, what is the truth MR. Catholicdefender2000?

And we all know who does CREATE LIES!!

Because you are a Minister disguising as a member. Actually it would be extremely damaging if I knew more than you. However, as you claim to know "MORE" than me, why is it that you CANNOT even disprove my PASUGO quotes?

Skills?

Of course. No one can match your skills. "...having dirty mouth, maligning and attacking people who are exposing Iglesia Ni Cristo. INC members attack, create blogs, steal usernames, malign people and fabricate lies to all non-INC members."

That's really a RARE skills! Congratulations!



Why would I ADDRESSED nonmembers to MINISTERS if I myself is a MINISTER? (“katangahan or not a katangahan?” YOU JUDGE!^_^) IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DAMAGING IF I KNEW MORE THAN YOU especially I do not study about the bible, I am not trained for doing such, Im a beginner on everything (blogging, reading the bible and etc.) and I AM YOUNGER THAN YOU!^_^ Please USE your head if there’s a brain in there, if non, nevermind…

He said:

But APOSTASY?



Where was it recorded in history?

Where is it PROPHESIED in the Bible?



On the contrary, Jesus even said, No WAY. My Church will remain FOREVER! The gates of HELL cannot prevail, not even the LIES of FELIX MANALO can EVER prevail. That a SOLEMN PROMISE by the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said: Hell SHALL NOT (WILL NOT) prevail today and in the FUTURE, not even in 1914. That is RECORDED in MATTHEW 16:18-19.



So if you claim that there was a TOTAL APOSTASY, your cult is ACCUSING Christ of being a DECEIVER and a LIAR. A very serious allegations against the Lord Jesus Christ.



Between Felix Manalo and Christ Jesus, judge them both, WHO LIED?


Please click the links here in my blog and read my posts regarding it, IT IS PROPHESIED but only you cannot accept the TRUTH. Between Bro. Felix Manalo, Christ and you, YOU ARE THE DECIEVER AND LIAR! For Bro. Felix just preach the teachings of God, like other apostles did, but they never be the FOUNDER of the Church of Christ and it can be seen in the teachings what really is the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST!



He said:



What a LIE Mr. readme.



Where is it written that the Catholic Church is a CORPORATION SOLE. That's a blatant LIE.



Since you really need credible informations what's being registered were PARISHES, INSTITUTIONS, CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES, COLLEGES, HOSPITALS, CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS and ORGANIZATIONS, etc... NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as a whole.

Prove then then that that CATHOLIC CHURCH is registered in any government and I will concede.



Your Iglesia ni Cristo AS A WHOLE is a CORPORATION SOLE!

"Felix Y. Manalo officially registered the church [Iglesia ni Cristo] as a corporation sole with himself as executive minister on July 27, 1914..." Any better way to defend your Iglesia ni Cristo CORPORATION?



Im sorry, by the way, I do not SPECIFICALLY and DIRECTLY say the CATHOLIC CHURCH is a Corporation sole, yes its true, only the parishes, and properties of the...



CATHOLIC CHURCH.



Still, they are (parishes) registered as a CORPORATION SOLE which you always maliciously say to the Iglesia ni Cristo. Oh yes, really really, the Iglesia ni Cristo is REGISTERED, again REGISTERED (only) as a CORPORATION SOLE FOR LEGAL REASONS! For CORPORATION SOLE IS A CHURCH-RELATED (Wikipedia) that’s why if you talk about Corporation Sole, if you really not a BIAS, JOINED YOUR BELOVED CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THERE. INC is registered as a corporation sole (for legal reasons) it is not in ANY WAY MEANS it is a CORPORATION or BUSINESS as many accused, because it’s a CHURCH, Church of Christ, its not “Iglesia ni Cristo enterprises/corporation/company”.

When INC have a local congregation in countries, it is being registered to its government. So INC will be an OFFICIAL and EXISTED CHURCH in countries, and so it will be recognized by people like in the 95th celebration, senators/mayors and etc. even the President of the USA, Pres. Obama congratulate the INC on its anniversary celebration!



He said:



Mr. readme said...

There is only one church established by Christ, therefore only one TRUE CHURCH, and the evidence is in the teaching not by the presence. Again, and again, I will repeat, The Church of Christ in the first century is the church established by Christ, that became Catholic Church by changing its name and A LOT IN THE CHURCH, when it falls in APOSTASY(falling away from the true gospel), common sense, it is not anymore the Christ’s Church… So, it is need for someone who became an instrument of God to continue the WORK OF SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST‘S CHURCH.

Correction. Not "became".

The only Church that can trace its HISTORY back to the times of the apostles is the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Therefore the Catholic Church WAS, IS, and WILL BE the Church of Christ that's FACT for he promised "... the gates of HELL WILL NEVER prevail (Mt. 16:18-19)". Not even the fairy tales Felix Manalo created can quench that TRUTH. Dream on Mr. readme... dream on!

No other churches can trace that!



Not became? Ok, Christ church existed on the 1st century and only in 1870 (Discourses on the Apsotle’s Creed, Rev. Clement Crock, p. 191) 1t became Holy Apostolic Roman Church?? What the? Why only after the 1st CENTURY? Do you want proofs it is called church of Christ? Hmmm?

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Mr. readme said...

GETTING STRAIGHT FACTS? Ok. If it is FACTS, then SHOW ME THE LINK WHERE YOU TAKE THOSE INFORMATIONS! I CHALLENGED YOU! I NEED THE LINK IMMEDIATELY or else it is CLEAR under the sun that you ONLY CREATE SUCH THINGS! One of the lies he created! Tsk. Tsk.

REALLY, OKAY IF THAT IS TRUE, GIVE ME THE LINK OR ANY EVIDENCE OKAY?

Why would we believe that Mary, mother of Christ not “MOTHER OF GOD” is worthy on Catholic’s respects? What we believe, for sure, is that when Mary is still alive maybe she will go and attack the Pope in Rome for giving ACTS OF WORSHIP to her, having DEVOTION to her, and recognizing her as a “MOTHER OF GOD-MAN” and a mediator to God especially our Lord Jesus Christ is the only MEDIATOR of us to GOD!

Link?

In my desire to remain truthful, I provided you links. From there, there are a lot of other articles that can answer your question (if your intention really is to know the truth). But since you don't have that sincerity, I would like to direct you back on top of this and start reading those websites I have provided you.

And since it could be impossible for you to understand CATHOLIC terms, I am not expecting you to understand THEOTOKOS either.

If you want more links, I have them in FULL SWING just in my SIDEBAR. They all were taken from our OFFICIAL CATHOLIC TEACHINGS. So you can be assured that we stand on those teachings. We can bet our souls on those TRUTHS.



What I am asking for a link, is where the figures whom you posted as FACTS! GIVE ME THAT LINK AND DON’T CHANGED THE TOPIC TO OTHER things! Grade 1 thinker!

Then he posted his quoted Pasugo issues, I can answer those if I had researched the answer, I frankly do not know about that so I will not have comment about the John 10:16.

And the last part of his post that will proved he admits that he is a “GAY” coward catholic defender of lies, this is stated:



Mr. readme dared...

Before I End this, I WILL JUST MAKE A CHALLENGE TO YOU, THIS CHALLENGE is what I ASKED to you SEVERAL MONTHS AGO in my post about YOU!

I will just post the question again, especially for you Mr. Er Vasol (Catholicdefender2000)!

Show the list of the teachings/doctrines/practices/dogmas of the CC with the date where it all began and the creator or the inventor of the teaching or whatsoever it is called! And let see if those can be called "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS"!!!! Ok? ^_^

AND IF you cannot answer this, ONE MORE POST OF YOURS “ANSWERING/QUOTING” MY POST HERE, I WILL THEN BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRULY “GAY” (as what Brad Conrad exposed) COWARD CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES!



rules on answering the challenge:

* It should be DIRECTLY answered.

* It is not expected for you to have me a counter challenge, or asking me of something.

* Saying accusations and etc. are prohibited.

Goodluck! But if you cannot stand for this, its ok. But NEVER EVER again "answer/quote" my posts on my blog, because it only shows how jealous you are in the INC. I pity you

Thank you for daring to ask me that favor. However can I ask the same favor after? Can you PROVIDE me OFFICIAL LINK to your teachings without inviting me to see and listen to one of your PAID Ministers in the Philippines?

And ALSO, will you PLEASE tell us your real name if you are not CONRAD J. OBLICACION so that I can address properly your name as well?

Unless you don't RECIPROCATE that, then please stop asking things which you cannot even give!

That's a gentlemen's deal.

Game?

In the meantime here are links to our OFFICIAL TEACHINGS! You can read them anywhere in the world as long as you have internet connection. That's guaranteed. We will NEVER HIDE our teachings from you so pleeeeeeeeease.... DON'T HIDE yours from us.

In the meantime, here's our ONLINE Official Catechism. Footnotes ARE GIVEN where BIBLICAL VERSES for reference were stated and some other Church documents, dates, book chapter and pages, the Pope who reign that time for HISTORICAL ACCURACY. Write down all the Biblical and Historical references and don't trust your memory. Believe me, your skull is too small for that. ^_^

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in SCBorromeo.org

Catechism of the Catholic Church found right in Vatican's Official Website

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in United States Bishops' Conference Official Site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in Christus Rex site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in Knights of Columbus' Official site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Doors

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Culture

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Planet site

Good News! You can buy a HARD COPY in any leading bookstore WORLDWIDE in any language!



Mr Catholicdefender2000 broke the rule, clearly he admits what will I believe:



It is not expected for you to have me a counter challenge, or asking me of something.



But he said:



Can you PROVIDE me OFFICIAL LINK to your teachings without inviting me to see and listen to one of your PAID Ministers in the Philippines?

And ALSO, will you PLEASE tell us your real name if you are not CONRAD J. OBLICACION so that I can address properly your name as well?



And the main challenge-question, he did not DIRECTLY ANSWERED! This is my several months question-challenge to him that I just reposted:



Show the list of the teachings/doctrines/practices/dogmas of the CC with the date where it all began and the creator or the inventor of the teaching or whatsoever it is called! And let see if those can be called "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS"!!!! Ok? ^_^



His answer?

In the meantime, here's our ONLINE Official Catechism. Footnotes ARE GIVEN where BIBLICAL VERSES for reference were stated and some other Church documents, dates, book chapter and pages, the Pope who reign that time for HISTORICAL ACCURACY. Write down all the Biblical and Historical references and don't trust your memory. Believe me, your skull is too small for that. ^_^



Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in SCBorromeo.org

Catechism of the Catholic Church found right in Vatican's Official Website

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in United States Bishops' Conference Official Site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in Christus Rex site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded in Knights of Columbus' Official site

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Doors

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Culture

Catechism of the Catholic Church uploaded by Catholic Planet site





He again broke one of the rules:



* It should be DIRECTLY answered.



I said teachings/practices and etc WITH THE DATE IT BEGAN AND THE AUTHORS/CREATORS of it! There is no even just ONE TEACHING/PRACTICE/TRADITION/DOGMA of the Catholic Church on what he posted, as what other Catholic Defenders did just to answer this question-challenge, he just ADDRESSED me to the links! What the? Is that DIRECTLY? ^_^

Im not surprised! Because if he will answer me directly, OH COME ON! It only shows that there is no roots of the teachings/practices and etc of the Catholic Church in the beliefs of the 1st century CHRISTIANS!



So, now, Mr. CatholicDefender2000 admits, and we can now believe that he is really a ”GAY” COWARD CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES!