Catholicdefender2000 admits he's a "gay" coward catholic defender of lies part 2

This is the last time i will answer the lies of this aggressive Catholic defender who's main purpose is to defend their church even it is wrong and accuse the INC and the members of everything, malign, and do what their 'masters' (Sr. catholic defenders) told to them... Im tired answering him for he is not capable to understand others especially if it is FROM THE INC MEMBERS and other faiths. Even i used very simple english words, still, because of being close minded, and his acts of being evil, cannot classify what is truth and lie.

This is the same reason why i leave the catholic.com forums, the splendor of the church, tumbukin natin, and that i stop arguing to Forest King (who's active in my blog)... I observed catholics who defend their faith were all UNITED in bringing down their opponent, they are all close minded, and lastly cannot agree to the statements of their non members especially INC members. For example:

All knows that 1+1=2, question: 1+1?

then an INC member say its 2, even they know the answer, catholic defenders will still point out that the INC member is false in his answer.

That is the reality in the forums, where majority are Catholics, even they are wrong, they will still find an answer for they will not be embarrassed and will not lose the argument.

You can observe it even in this Catholic defender, Mr. CatholicDefender2000, even he knows the truth, even a simple thing he cannot agree to me. It is because SATAN will not ever agree to the TRUTH.

Lets go back to the topic,

He's post "Dispeling lies in defending the Church of Christ 33 A.D part 2" (click for the full content, i will just quote some lies, i mean content of what he posted^_^)

In his introduction he said:

At this time, Mr. readme, an Iglesia ni Cristo member is ONE STEP closer to being a CATHOLIC BASHER more than being an INC Defender.

Unable to answer my post, he resorted to NAME-CALLING:

Am i a basher for you? Just because you become embarrassed that you has been beaten in an argument who is not skilled, trained and especially younger than you?^_^ Who is the one WHO CANNOT ANSWER POSTS? I will show you who really he is, later!

He then show my statements and number it from 1-24. He continued...

Response 1: Thanks for trying your best to be ‘honest’ but your honesty is not what's expected of someone who trumpetted he ‘BELONGS’ to a ‘TRUE CHURCH’ and YET nothing TRUTHFULNESS comes out of his mouth?

If you REALLY are convinced that you belong to a “true Church’ then why are you LYING?

Be TRUTHFUL! Practice Christian Charity and be PRUDENT in your language. That way people may believe you.

But of course you don’t! That’s the reason why you are always CAUGHT off-handed saying things but doing exactly the opposite. Because of your habitial LYING people believe that that's what is expected of you anyway.

What LIES are you talking about, by the way? If i lie, what BENEFITS WOULD I GET, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I do not blog to create lies and etc, if it is the reason, then should not create this blog, because its nonsense and the effort is useless. Even you say and post to your blog that you are in truth and that you are not lying, well, the question is: ARE THE READERS ARE SO FOOL (like you) to believe you? you cannot brainwash the readers because you are already exposed on your WRONG DOINGS!

So you’re NOT “HIDING” and yet you DON’T WANT to reveal your name...(??)

Your statements are very much baffling. They’re really very confusing to your readers I guess. That’s another way of saying “Look ma, I’m not breathing” and yet you’re screaming!

You said:

"...if I will reveal my photos and full name, and then what? Edit my pictures, get my name and do stories/lies and whatsoever?"

Aha! So that’s EXACTLY what you did to me, right?!

First you STOLE my photos!

You EDITED my photos!

GET my NAME!

Do STORIES/LIES

THANKS for your honesty anyway!

Announcing before the world of what you exactly DID to my PHOTOS is in itself the FINEST demonstration of your STUPIDITY (that’s from your own words)! Thanks indeed! I feel more relieved!

You still do not answer my question, IS USING A USERNAME INSTEAD OF REAL NAME, mean HIDING? Then all the people who use the internet, you accuse of HIDING! Even your fellow catholics in forums are HIDING! because they use username instead of REAL NAME like yours! You use Catholicdefender2000 instead of your full name ERNESTO VASOL. And please stop creating LIES! Do i edit your photo when i post it here in my blog? HERE READERS YOU CAN SEE HOW HE ACCUSE ME OF EVERYTHING I DO NOT DID TO HIM! Catholicdefender2000 just reflects other catholics and their beloved ROMAN church for doing evil things.

"MGA MAKASALANAN!"

He said:

In the same way, His TRUE CHURCH was PERSECUTED for centuries. And they’re still PERSECUTED in the Middle East, in communist countries, Muslim countries, and other countries that DO NOT believe in God.

And among all the false claimnant, there is only ONE Church that is GENUINELY Christ's: it's the CATHOLIC CHURCH says PASUGO April 1966, p. 46!

“Mind your own business”?

Yes! We CATHOLIC DEFENDERS do mind our own business. We stick to issues NOT on PERSONALITIES.

We, Catholic Defenders may NOT agree with Iglesia ni Cristo's doctrines but that doesn't mean we hate its members. We look at its members like souls needing much of our prayers.

But if we do the same things you do, then we are not different from you. You attack INDIVIDUALS and PRIVATE peoples, INTIMIDATE, THREAT and HUMILIATE them only strengthens our position.

Yes we do mind our business Mr. readme. That's the HUGE DIFFERENCE between us debaters/defenders FROM you as bashers/bigots.

Oh yes, the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST should expect persecution...

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. " Matt 10: 22

Members will be hated because of Christ's name that's why most nonmembers especially here in the Philippines persecute in any ways INC members, saying all lies, accusations and etc... All because we are members of Iglesia ni Cristo, or Church of Christ, because in Christ's name we are persecuted not in way the Catholics are persecuted. Yes, catholics in Muslim countries even killed, because they are CATHOLICS. They died, injured, persecuted as they are in the "HOLY APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH", not in Christ's name, but in the name of "Roman Catholic Church"... And please be truthful on saying statements like "but that doesn't mean we hate its members.", do i need to post evidences that will make your statement WRONG?^_^

Do Catholic Defenders really love INC members especially when they call us "MANALISTA/MANOLONIANS"? or mga "Iglesia ni Manalo"? Even though in the fact that, in any way, WE DO NOT WORSHIP BRO. FELIX MANALO AND HIS FAMILY?

Dont again accuse me of DOING THINGS which others DID TO YOU! I agree, there is a HUGE diff. between unofficial INC defenders and OFFICIAL Catholic defenders, CD defends even the wrongness of its members and church, and defending their church by accusing the INC and its members!

He further said:

An additional BONUS, see for yourselves how "sir" CONRAD J. OBLIGACION and Mr. README are IDENTICAL? Their argument, their style of DISCREDITING Catholic Defenders by calling them "gays"? Parehong Pareho!

Excuse me Mr. grade 1 thinker, I do not accuse you and say that you are a "gay" just because i like to insult you, let me again repost my statement, if you always have an amnesia,

AND IF you cannot answer this, ONE MORE POST OF YOURS “ANSWERING/QUOTING” MY POST HERE, I WILL THEN BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRULY “GAY” (as what Brad Conrad exposed) COWARD CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES!

I said I will the BELIEVE that you are a truly "GAY" (as what Bro. Conrad exposed)!! Not because it is my opinion and accusation... And also because i challenge you that if you AGAIN answer/quote my post here in my blog without answering my question/challenge (as its has a rules indicated), then we can believe, without being guilty of giving an accusation, that you are a GAY coward catholic defender of lies! But then you have proven it! By broking the rules in my question/challenge to you!!



He said:

Response 3: Who'd be interested in my "handsomeness"? So far, nly CONRAD J. OBLIGACION has done that and you actually COPIED his style. Deny again that you are NOT "sir" Conrad 'coz you're just a student and you wished to be like "sir" Conrad.

NO ONE is interested, you are the one who is interested to your photo by PRAISING it. I do not, in any way, copy styles of other bloggers, in my style of blogging. Because my blogging is informative if it will be compared to other INC bloggers especially to you! because your kind of blogging is like you were possessed by the forces of evil!



You are pleasured if you accused the Church, you are pleasured if you post links to the anti-blogs created by INC's critics...



And FYI: if you really have a BRAIN, compare my blogging to Bro. Conrad, its have a BIG DIFFERENCE! He posts little info, and his english is better than me ("syempre! nag aaral pa lang ako e!"^_^) but atleast i try to develop my english grammars even though im just doing a self study-learning in these matters including my faith!





He said:

Response 5: Oh, sorry. I didn’t know that when you denied being “sir” Conrad J. Obligacion, that’s considered a “FACT”.

Ok, that’s fine with me “sir” Conrad. Sorry for having "small minds" to know which is 'factual' from 'opinion'. You're intelligence is superb. No feebleminded man has matched that!

It is because i will not get any benefit if I LIED, not like you and other catholic defenders who wants always to get some +points in their opponents in arguing even they use lies, accusations and etc. in defending their faith. Because even i say the truth, still you will not agree to me because im an INC member. And thank you for honoring me, it is nice for someone who is OLDER than you, and EXPECTED to KNOW MORE THAN YOU, HONORS YOU! Im touched!! (haha)



He continued...

When your own Ministers squamble with their HISTORICAL SOURCES about the origin of the Church (just as what you also believed):



•Minister Emiliano Magtuto--PASUGO Nov. 1956, p. 18: -- 44 B.C.

•Minister Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Feb. 1959, p. 1: -- 400 A.D.

•Minister Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Aug. 1962, p. 3: -- 1870 A.D.

•Minister Teofilo C. Ramos -- PASUGO Mar. 1956, p. 25: -- 1870 A.D.

•Minister Joaquin Balmores -- PASUGO Feb. 1952, p. 9: -- 400 A.D.



We said wrong. That's because our history dates back to the times of the Apostles which agrees with historical facts in encyclopedia and history books!

Look! When your own founder Felix Manalo accused the Catholic Church of being “apostatized”, we came with for and answer

When your own founder claimed to be “the Last Messenger” we said, there’s no need for Christ is the Last Messengers. Among those who compete with your claims are Islam’s prophet Muhammad and Joseph Smith of the Mormons.

When you said that your Iglesia is the ‘true Church’ we said, it’s not true because history says the Catholic Church is still the only Christian Church that traces its roots from the times of the Apostles.

When you attacked the Pope, the Saints, the Mass and our Catholic doctrines, we defended it without attacking private individuals's personalities.

Likewise, if YOU don't AGREE with our opinion, educate us and provide us with your OFFICIAL teachings WITHOUT attacking, intimidating, threatening or humiliating us. You can do it in a manner that is "gentleman" and "professional".

If you really want to project a good image of your Iglesia, treat anyone with kindness and explain your faith in humility and prudence. "Give the other cheek as well." Or still better "love your enemies."



All we did here is to DEFEND the CHURCH from your ATTACKS!

Our ministers just quote books, if you have problem with that, please blame the authors! About 1870, maybe you just MISINTERPRET the statement, especially on that date, the name "HOLY APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH" were established, so how can it be the church in the 1st century if only in 1870 the elders in your church unanimously decided that? Yes, it is very true the Catholic Church (now) can be traced its roots from the times of the Apostles, only the church, not the Church's name and the doctrines and traditions!!



I then give you one of the THOUSANDS evidence who to blame for

" WITHOUT attacking, intimidating, threatening or humiliating us. You can do it in a manner that is "gentleman" and "professional"."

Our Common Knowledge about Felix Manalo, INC founder!

He continued...

Response 23: Why are you sooooooo HOMOPHOBIC? A supposed straight "MAN"so extremely insecure of gays is quite revealing? ^_^

Response 24: Ok, so for Iglesia ni Cristo members like you, your STANDARDS is that those who are HIDING, LYING, CHEATING, DECEIVING, are actually 'GAYS' and 'COWARDS'?

Why that believing you as a "gay" a very big deal?^_^ I just BELIEVE what Bro. CONRAD say UNTO YOU.



AS YOU BROKE WHAT I CHALLENGE/SAY TO YOU! That's all.^_^



It is YOU WHO chose to "answer" or post again what i post here, without answering DIRECTLY my question-challenge to you. Then its you who give us PERMISSION to believe it! Because you did not do what i said, so sorry! BLAME YOURSELF!^_^



In the last part of his post, he made a comparison between INC/INC members and Catholic church/Catholic defenders, then he asked...

So who are COWARDS? Who are "GAYS"?

Readback and see how he expresses himself "Don't be so PAKIALAMERO"! hmmm.. very manly expression dugh...



Ok, apply your standards!

It still YOU. Why? (^_^)



Let us summarized our argument...



You say i accused you when i say these things:

*He quotes some Pasugo statements and misinterprets what it contains, to favor with his side. AND ETC.

It is not an accusation Mr. Catholicdefender2000, ITS AN OBSERVATION!

However, it is YOU who PROVEN to us that what i observed is actually what you do! Like this observation:

*When “answering/quoting” my post, he only show SOME and not ALL what it contained, he only picks some of the information that he can ANSWER.

Then, READ YOUR LAST POST. YOU numbered my statements from 1-24, and your response is only for numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,12,23 and 24. SEE? Is my OBSERVATIONS WRONG??!



It is YOU who PICKS statements of mine, answer what you only CAN ANSWER!



Its not that being "coward"? Like answering my question-answer INDIRECTLY? I said post DOCTRINES and etc. not LINKS! ITS VERY CLEAR. But because "ALAM MO NA ANG KAHAHANTUNGAN" if you will answer my challenge DIRECTLY, you just addressed me to the links! Tsk. Tsk.



I do not have standards in calling someone a "gay" only if he ADMITS he was, like you, you admit BEING a "gay" by doing such acts. BROKING THE RULES OF THE CHALLENGE. Then, its our turn to believe what Bro. CONRAD exposed, Youre a "GAY" CATHOLIC DEFENDER OF LIES.





p.s

Again, its not my accusation/my own who call you that, its from others, we just believe what others say also because PROVES IT!





By the way, in the 3rd time, i will ask, WHERE is the link, about this 'FACTS' you posted!??

^_^