"Ipaglaban mo nang puspusan ang pananampalataya. Panghawakan mong mabuti ang buhay na walang hanggan, dahil diyan ka tinawag ng Diyos nang ipahayag mo sa harap ng maraming saksi ang iyong pananalig kay Cristo." I Tim. 6:12

April 21, 2010

Jesus is God because he said I am?

John 8:58, “before Abraham was, I am”…
-->
John 8:58
FACT: Jesus is the one who said this verse. He said “before Abraham was, I am”… And this was also a proof of others that jesus really existed before Abraham, means in the beginning.

QUESTION: Is this an evidence that Jesus have pre-existence? Or did Jesus Christ already exist in the beginning? According to the testimony of the apostles, what really existed in the beginning concerning Christ?

ANSWER: Well, let’s find out by reading the bible, let’s read acts 2:23 that says,

“This man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of god, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death.”

Can anyone read that verse again? Okay?

FACT: It’s been testified that what existed in the beginning was the “foreknowledge of god” concerning Jesus Christ.

QUESTION: why did Jesus Christ say, “Before Abraham was I am”? Does this mean that he had pre-existence or that he had already existed even before Abraham was born?

ANSWER: Let’s read I pet. 1:20 that says,

“Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world,
he has been manifested in the last times for your sakes.”

Even before the creation of the world, Christ was already foreknown by god. That testimony is clear that what existed even before is the plan or idea in gods mind to create him. And this idea concerning the creation of Christ did not remain only as a plan of god but was also promised by him, let’s read Rom. 1:2-3 that says,

“Which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his son,
who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh.”

FACT: Christ did not exist before Abraham existed; rather, it was Abraham who existed before Christ, let’s look it up to Gal. 3:16 that says,

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He does not say, ‘And to seeds’,
as of many, but as one, ‘and to your seed’, who is Christ.”

Christ is the seed of Abraham, which is why it is wrong to assert that he existed before Abraham did. In other words, again, even before god created the world, he had already planned that there would be a messiah or Christ. But there was no Christ yet in existence in the beginning, contrary to what the proponents of the Christ-is-god doctrine would like us to believe, for he came to exists only when he was born of his mother like what was in gal. 4:4 that says,

“But when the fullness of the time had come, god sent forth his son,
born of a woman, born under the law”

Others believe that only god says “I am”, in other words, they believe that because jesus also said “I am” like what god said, it is automatically jesus is god, so, the equation is jesus=god.

QUESTION: But what would happen if we believe that who says “I am” in the whole content of the bible means it is god or refers to god?

ANSWER: We must remember that not only god who says “I am”, let’s read judges 13:11 that says,

"And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and said unto him, Art thou the man that spakest unto the woman? And he said, I am."

And let’s read also john 9:9 that says,

"Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I AM he.”

So, let’s go again to the question, do only god says “I am”? Meaning if we believe that Jesus Christ is god only because he uttered the words “I am”, It means also that manoa in judges 13:11 and the blind man in john 9:9 would also be our god or gods.
exodus 3:14
QUESTION: if we believe that Jesus is the Jehovah who spoke in exodus 3:14 because jehovah uttered the statement “I AM” were true, we must accept that aside from having a Jesus who is Jehovah, there is another Jesus, who is the servant of Jehovah. Why?

ANSWER: going back to exodus, chapter 3, Jehovah or YHWH, in English word, lord, introduced himself as the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in verse 15.however, in the New Testament, the same god or Jehovah, was introduced by peter as the one who glorified Jesus, his servant. This testimony as it is written in Acts 3:13:

“The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the god of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.”

FACT: If Jesus were the god who spoke to Moses in the burning bush, then who would be his servant by the name of Jesus in Acts 3:13? Are we prepared to accept that there are two jesuses, one who is god of Abraham and one who is called the servant of the god of Abraham? Is there such a thing in the Bible as “Jesus who is the servant of Jesus”???

Well, we already know the answer, it is none. The Jesus who is the servant of god is truly different from the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

QUESTION: so, does the “I AM” statement make Christ our god, the father? Well, THINK AGAIN…

3 comments:

  1. John 8:58
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

    If you are saying that what was existed even before is the plan or idea of God to create the Son, then the right statement should be "before Abraham was, I was" because even if this idea or plan is before Abraham; it would still have a beginning. Is it not?

    The question is; how come Jesus used "I am" instead of "I was"?

    ReplyDelete
  2. Jesus said I AM because He was in the beginning with God.

    John 1
    The Eternal Word
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
    John’s Witness: The True Light
    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.[b]
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own,[c] and His own[d] did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    The Word Becomes Flesh
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
    16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

    ReplyDelete
  3. I would suggest to the blogger to read your bible and practice biblical exegesis, otherwise you fall unto eisegesis which you already have. Try to read Judges 13:11 and John 9;9, the people who said I AM were asked if they are the person of the respective topics while the claim of Jesus as I AM was of His coexistence with the Father for He was and is the Beginning!!! God bless!

    ReplyDelete

RULES ARE STRICTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED.
COMMENTS THAT VIOLATE RULES ARE DELETED.

1. Comments should be related to the topic posted
2. No flooding
3. No cursing and name calling (kultoliko, ADDict, Iglesia ni Manalo, etc)
4. No posting of any kind of advertisement/promotion
5. No debates/arguments

You can ask, suggest, answer or react to an article. Discussion or sharing of knowledge is appreciated, not to be confused with debates/arguments.