Nakakatuwang opinyon at pagsisinungaling ng isang pari tungkol sa stand ng INC sa RH bill

Antitindi na talaga bumanat ng Catholic defenders ngayon, wala namang problema sakin kung PURONG KATOTOHANAN ang pinagsasasabi nila ang kaso, hindi. Kung hindi puro kasinungalingan, ay mga nakakatuwa nilang opinyon at reaksyon sa stand ng INC ukol sa RH bill.

Isa na rito ang isang Catholic priest na blogger din, siguro naman ay kilala nyo na rin sya, sya ang may ari ng blog na "The splendor of the church" na pagtatakhan nyo kung isa nga ba talaga syang MINISTRO NG DYOS, o isang tambay sa kanto dahil ang madalas nyang sabihin ay tulad ng mga salitang "malibog, pulpol, tanga," at marami pang iba, ang galing ano po.

Ang nakakatuwa ay ang exaggerated at sinungaling nyang opinyon tungkol sa stand ng INC sa RH bill, eto po:

Anonymous August 14, 2012 6:31 AM

pagbawalan niyo ang mga katoliko na nagsasagawa ng abortion, nagtitinda ng mga pang-abort. Ang dami sa paligid ng simbahan niyo. Nakakahiya kayo!

Fr. Abe, CRS August 14, 2012 1:03 PM

[pagbawalan niyo ang mga katoliko na nagsasagawa ng abortion,]

TANGA. PINAGBAWALAN NA NAMIN. ANG MGA ABORTIONISTA AY HINDI MGA CATOLICO DAHIL LAHAT NAG NAGPA ABORT, NAG-AABORT AT TUMULONG MAGPA-ABORT AY AUTOMATIKONG TIWALAG SA SANTA IGLESIA. KAYA HINDI SILA MGA CATOLICO. SILA AY TULAD NINYONG MGA TAKSIL SA PANANAMPALATAYA.

KAMI OFFICIALLY OPPOSED SA LAHAT NG URI NG ABORTION. ANG INYONG EXECUTIVE MINISTER AY PROMOTER NG MGA ABORTIFACIENTS PILLS NA PUMAPATAY SA MGA SANGGOL SA SINAPUPUNAN DAHIL SIA PA MISMO ANG TAGA PROMOTE NG CONTRACEPTIONS SA INYONG MGA MANALISTA.

[ nagtitinda ng mga pang-abort.]

HA HA HA... ANG MGA IYAN AY TIWALAG SA PAGIGING CATOLICO. HINDI IYAN MGA CATHOLICS KUNDI MGA ALBULARYO, MGA MIEMBRO NG IBAT IBANG KULTO GALING SA SACRIFICE VALLEY AT MOUNT BANAHAW. SINIPA NI MGSR. GERRY SANTOS ANG MGA IYAN MULA SA CHURCH TERRITORY NG QUIAPO. HE HE HE ALAM KO YAN KASI ANG FORMER PARISH PRIEST NG QUIAPO BASILICA NA SI MSGR. GERRY AY FORMER PROFESSOR KO SA MORAL THEOLOGY NA SIYANG NAGTURO SA AMIN KUNG GAANO KASAMA ANG ABORTION AT CONTRACEPTION.

YUNG MGA NAGBEBENTA NG PAMPA BORT AY NANDUON NA SA PUBLIC MARKET AT SA MGA PUBLIC STREETS NA PAG-AARI NG GOBIERNO NA PINAMAMAHALAAN NG MGA POLITIKONG PINABOTO SA INYO NI MANALO. HA HA HA... KAYA ANG AUTHORIZATION NILA AY SAKOP ANG IGLESIA NI MANALO. HA HA HA...

[Ang dami sa paligid ng simbahan niyo. Nakakahiya kayo!]

HA HA HA... MAS NAKAKAHIYA ANG KATANGAHAN MO. BAKIT KAMI MAHIHIYA E PINALAYAS NAMIN SILA SA TERRITORY NAMIN. KAYA NGA NASA LABAS SILA E. HE HE HE...

YUNG MGA KAMPON NI SATANAS GUSTONG PILITIN ANG MGA CATOLICO NA GUMAMIT NG PAMPALAGLAG KASI BAWAL SA AMIN KAYA STYLE NILA IPAGBENTA SA AMIN SA LABAS NG SIMBAHAN KUNG SAAN SILA PROTECTED BY THE GOVERNMENT. SA INYO SA IGLESIA NI MANALO HINDI NA KAILANGAN PA NI SATANAS NA MAGBENTA NG PAMPALAGLAG KASI EXECUTIVE MINISTER MISMO NINYO ANG NAG-UUTOS NA GUMAMIT KAYO NG MGA PILLS NA ABORTIFACIENTS. KAYO AY MGA CONDOMISTA AT MGA SI-PILLISTA! HA HA HA..." source: thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com

Eto pa



Gene August 12, 2012 6:57 PM

Ang paninindigan ng INC ay RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD. Kahit MARAMI pa ang maging anak ng mag-asawa kung kaya nilang buhayin ng maayos at marangal ay walang mali kung yon ang desisyon nilang mag-asawa. Pero KAHIT NA ISA LANG kung di nila kayang buhayin at bigyan ng maayos at marangal na kinabukasan ay WALA SILANG KARAPATAN NA MAG-ANAK. Yan ang itinuturo sa INC.

Fr. Abe, CRS August 12, 2012 10:40 PM

ANG INYONG PAMAMARAAN AY HINDI RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD KUNDI PAGPAPATUPAD NG BATAS PANG KALIBUGAN. BAKIT EXCLUSIVE LANG BA SA PARENTS ANG CONDOMS AND PILLS? IYAN AY PARA SA LAHAT MAY ASAWA MAN O WALA.

KUNG AYAW MONG MAGKA ANAK NG MARAMI WAG KAYONG MAGSIPING NG MAGSIPING. MAGKWENTUHAN KAYO, MALIGO, MAGLIBANG, MANOOD NG MOVIE AT HINDI MAGSIPING NG MAGSIPING TAPOS HIHINGI SA GOBIERNO NG 36 BILYON PESOS PARA TUSTUSAN ANG INYONG MGA KAGAMITANG PANGKALIBUGAN TULAD NG CONDOMS AT PILLS. MAHIYA NAMAN KAYO. DAPAT SI MANALO ANG MAGBIGAY SA INYO NG LIBRENG MGA PILDORAS NA LALASON SA SINAPUPUNAN NG INYONG MGA KABABAIHAN." source: thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com

Ito ang unang tanong, bakit kailangan magsinungaling ng isang PARI? Pangalawa, tama ba ang kanyang mga komento sa stand ng INC sa RH bill? At huli, bakit madalas gumamit ang isang PARI, take note, PARI, ng mga salitang di angkop sa hawak nyang tungkulin sa simbahan na kinaklaim pang sa Dyos? ang ginagawa nya po kaya ay totoong maka Dyos?

May mga gusto lang akong klaruhin sa mga kasinungalingan na ibinibintang ng isang PARI sa INC, pero bago yon, gusto ko lang po malaman nyo na wala po akong PERSONAL na galit sa mga catholic defenders kahit na sa paring ito, unang una hindi naman kami personal na magkakakilala pangalawa wala namang dahilan para magalit ako sa kanila ng PERSONAL, kung sila man ay ganun, ako po at ang INC ay hindi ganun^^


Sabi nya: "ANG INYONG EXECUTIVE MINISTER AY PROMOTER NG MGA ABORTIFACIENTS PILLS NA PUMAPATAY SA MGA SANGGOL SA SINAPUPUNAN DAHIL SIA PA MISMO ANG TAGA PROMOTE NG CONTRACEPTIONS SA INYONG MGA MANALISTA."

Sagot: Nagpopromote NGA BANG TALAGA ang tagapamahalang pangkalahatan sa mga gamot na abortifacients? Kaya ba sumusuporta ang INC sa RH bill dahil ALLOWED sa INC ang pagpapaabort? Syempre alam naman po nating lahat ang sagot, ito pa nga ang sabi ng pamamahala:

"We consider it commendable that our lawmakers care enough for our fellow Filipinos that they are doing what they can do to alleviate the hardships so many of our countrymen are facing. IN what they propose, they can bring about not only an economic good for our countrymen but also a moral one. We are ready to support the Bills on Reproductive Health as long as there would be no immoral elements in them." source: gmanetwork.com

Yan ba ang sinasabi nyang NAGPOPROMOTE DAW ang INC ng abortifacients at parang gusto pang palabasing okay lang ang abortion sa INC?

Sabi nya: YUNG MGA NAGBEBENTA NG PAMPA BORT AY NANDUON NA SA PUBLIC MARKET AT SA MGA PUBLIC STREETS NA PAG-AARI NG GOBIERNO NA PINAMAMAHALAAN NG MGA POLITIKONG PINABOTO SA INYO NI MANALO. HA HA HA... KAYA ANG AUTHORIZATION NILA AY SAKOP ANG IGLESIA NI MANALO. HA HA HA...

Kaya pala ang mga nagtitinda ng kung ano ano ay nasa mismong GILID, HARAP, LIKOD, at TAPAT ng mga simbahan ng katoliko, ibig sabihin kaya nitoy mga bastos at walang mga paggalang ang mga katoliko dahil sa mga ginagawa nilang ito? na alam naman nilang banal na lugar ang simbahan tapos kung ano ano ang andun? Ginagawa pang terminal ng sasakyan, ginagawang bilihan ng mga kandila at iba pa (nasa mismong COMPOUND), ginagawang meeting place ng mga nanlilimos, nagdodroga at naghahanap ng mga panandaliang aliw, piangshushutingan pa ng mga pelikula at ginagawang mga katatawanan ang tungkulin na PAGKAPARI at PAGKAMADRE, o diba, disiplinado? eto na ba ang ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH na ONE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST daw?^^

Sabi nya: "SA INYO SA IGLESIA NI MANALO HINDI NA KAILANGAN PA NI SATANAS NA MAGBENTA NG PAMPALAGLAG KASI EXECUTIVE MINISTER MISMO NINYO ANG NAG-UUTOS NA GUMAMIT KAYO NG MGA PILLS NA ABORTIFACIENTS. KAYO AY MGA CONDOMISTA AT MGA SI-PILLISTA! HA HA HA..."

At kelan naman nag utos ang pamamahala na gumamit ng mga gamot na nakakalaglag ng bata? Muli, bakit kailangan magsinungaling ng isang PARI??? Eto sabi ng pamamahala:

"Since modern methods of contraception—by preventing married couples from having any unplanned pregnancies—assist in supporting this Christian principle, we support their use as long as these methods are empirically not abortifacient. Abortion and the use of abortifacients involve the taking of life, which God explicitly forbids (Exod. 20:13)." source: gmanetwork.com

Natural na nga ba talaga sa ilang katoliko ang pagsisinungaling??? Bakit??? Upang mapatunayang hindi sila tunay na sa Dyos???

Eto pa sabi ni Mr. Abe:

"ANG INYONG PAMAMARAAN AY HINDI RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD KUNDI PAGPAPATUPAD NG BATAS PANG KALIBUGAN. BAKIT EXCLUSIVE LANG BA SA PARENTS ANG CONDOMS AND PILLS? IYAN AY PARA SA LAHAT MAY ASAWA MAN O WALA."

Hindi pala RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD ang FAMILY PLANNING? Eh ano ang responsible parenthood? Ang mag anak ang mga katolikong Pilipino na mga mahihirap ng marami tapos ipapaampon sa iba, hanggang mapilitan ang mga anak na magtrabaho, iiwan sa kumbento, pabayaang magkasakit dahil walang pera, hindi mapaaral ang mga anak, hindi mabigyan ng personal na pangangailangan at hindi sila mapakain ng tama. Yan ba ang dahilan kung bakit nagpapakasal ang mga mahihirap? Para ibaon ang mga sarili sa paghihirap?

Sino ba ang dapat na sabihan ng katagang "malibog" na binanggit ng PARI?

Ang mag asawang pinlanong mabuti ang pamilya, at gumamit ng modern way ng contraception para maging epektibo ang pagpaplano ng pamilya, na kahit magsiping sila (NATURAL na ginagawa ng mga MAG-ASAWA, take note, MAG-ASAWA) ay hindi sila magkakaanak.

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Ang mag asawang hindi pinlano ang pamilya, at gumamit ng mga hindi epektibong methods ng contraception kaya pag nagsisiping sila ay nagbubunga agad kaya nag anak ng sampu.

Gusto ata nilang ihalintulad ang pag aanak ng TAO sa pag aanak ng mga ASO, na pag "season" nila para magpalaganap ng lahi ay sige lang ng sige, at ano ang nangyayari pag sobra ang dami ng ANAK NG ASO? O diba? yun din nangyayari sa TAO, ipinapamigay yung tuta at namamatay pa ang ilan, hindi pantay pantay ang lusog ng pangangatawan ng mga tuta dahil nag aagawan sila sa nanay nila, tapos nangangayayat ang nanay na aso dahil sa dami ng anak nya.

Same thing sa mga tao, tulad ng mga nabanggit ko sa itaas. Ang kaso, HINDI PO TAYO MGA ASO, mga TAO TAYO, kaya dapat pinaplano ang pamilya natin hindi tayo dapat tumulad sa mga HAYOP na wala namang muwang sa family planning, tayo, malaki ang kinaiba natin sa kanila, tayo binigyan ng UTAK na mataas kesa sa mga hayop, bakit di natin GAMITIN?^^

Bago ko tapusin to, lilinawin ko lang, ang INC simula pa 1966 ay nilulunsad na ang FAMILY PLANNING at paggamit ng artificial contraceptives sa mga MAG ASAWA lamang, hindi porke payag ang INC sa paggamit ng mga myembro ng contraceptives ibig sabihin okay ang pre marital sex, MALI. Halos tuwing pagsamba na nga lang ay lagi yang nababanggit, ang premarital sex, at extra marital sex na hindi dapat nasusumpungan sa mga kaanib.

Kung tutuusin may point din naman ang stand ng Iglesia Katolika na sinasabi nila maaaring makorupt ng mga politiko ang pondo o kaya naman ang pondo ay hindi magamit ng maayos dahil sa maaaring hind maipatupad ng maayos at sinabi ko ito dahil alam nyo naman hindi po ako bias. Labas na ang INC sa usaping ito, ang point lang naman ng INC ay yung sa family planning at contraceptives at hindi ang iba pang mga bagay, kaya sana wag nyong IPUKOL sa INC ang mga bagay na wala namang kinalaman don at sabihan ng kung ano ano ang INC dahil lang hindi ito KUMAMPI sa unbiblical at illogical point ng Catholic Church sa pagpaplano ng pamilya, na kaya nila hinaharangan ang RH BILL para maraming katoliko ang manganganak para tataas ang bilang ng populasyon ng katoliko sa Pilipinas.

NAGLABAS lang naman ang INC ng stand nito tungkol sa isyu, hindi naman ibig sabihin nito ay gagawa ang INC ng mga paraan tulad ng pagloloby na ginagawa ng Catholic authorities sa mga pulitiko para lang maipasa ang RH BILL.


Sino ang mas mukhang NAGPOPROMOTE NG ABORTIFACIENTS?

Ang INC na naglulunsad lang naman ng RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD at tutol sa ABORTION o ang Iglesia Katolika na MARAMING NAGBEBENTA NG ABORTIFACIENTS sa HARAP, LIKOD, TAPAT, at TABI MISMO NG SIMBAHAN?

Ngayon lang ba nagdesisyon ang INC sa pagsuporta sa family planning at paggamit ng contraceptives?

Ang mga hindi INC member ngayon ay magrereact lang ay mali pa. Nung nailabas kasi ang opisyal na stand ng INC tungkol sa RH BILL galing sa Tagapamahalang Pangkalahatan ay sinasabi nila na "Magtataka pa ba tayo, syempre lagi namang against ang INC sa stand ng Catholic Church".

Parang itong nasa balita:

Unlike the Catholic Church, the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) has expressed support for the highly controversial Reproductive Health (RH) bill.

"We are ready to support the bills on Reproductive Health as long as there would be no immoral elements in them," INC executive minister Eduardo Manalo said in a letter dated October 12, 2010 to Rep. Rogelio Espina, chairman of the House committee on population and family relations.

This is the first time the INC has expressed its stand on the issue." source: gmanetwork.com

Ngayon lang ba nagdesisyon ang INC tungkol sa stand nito ukol sa family planning at paggamit ng contraceptives?

HINDI. Hindi pa pinopropose ang pagsasabatas ng RH BILL ay matagal ng sinusuportahan ng INC ang family planning at paggamit ng contraceptives sa mga mag asawa. Sa katunayan, noong 1973, nagrequest ang INC sa FPIA (Family Planning International Assistance) na magkaroon ng programa na tinawag na "INC Integrated Family Planning Program" sa pakikipagtulungan sa doktor na dating INC member na si Dr. Melanio Gabriel Jr. at itoy naisakatuparan noong July 1978.

Meron din akong kopya ng Pasugo Issues kung saan tinalakay ang tungkol sa Family Planning at Contraceptives noong 1980's, at ang Felix Y. Manalo Memorial Puericulture Center and Maternity Clinic na itinayo noong 1965 ay nagsilbi ding Family Planning Clinic. At ayon sa pagreresearch ko, nung 1966 pa pala naglabas ng panig ang INC ukol dito:

Jan. 1966 First articulation of the family planning policy opposing abortion and supporting non traditional means of contraception (In assertion of the Church's biblical position concerning human life and reproduction) Source: Pasugo Issue Sep. 2009

Kaya sana lang ay wag magtataka ang marami kung bakit sinuportahan ng INC ang RH BILL, hindi ito para makipagkumpetensya o kalabanin ang Iglesia Katolika, ito ay para sa sambayanang Pilipino. Naglabas lang ang INC ng sarili nitong stand tungkol sa isyu, at hindi ibig sabihin nito na "iloloby" ng INC ang mga politiko para lang ipasa ang bill, na ginagawa ng Catholic Church ngayon na pilit namang inaakusa sa INC, halibaway sasabihing nakikialam ang INC sa pulitika at nananakot na hindi iboboto ang mga pulitiko sa susunod na eleksyon. Walang ganun, sa Iglesia Katolika lang may ganun.

Eto ang saloobin ng mga hindi INC member tungkol sa stand ng INC:

ELIZABETH OXIMER, NEGROS OCCIDENTAL: The INC is the only religious group that could command obedience from its members, at marami sila. I believe the RH bill will be passed.
REY ONATE, PALAYAN CITY: There won’t be any earth-shattering impact. The INC has all the right to take sides on the issue.

Iglesia ni Cristo acts as one

Carmela Ramento, Cagayan de Oro City: Great impact. The INC is a large and solid religious group. They are known to support a candidate or an issue as one.
Ignacio Anacta, Metro Manila: The impact of the support by INC for the highly controversial RH Bill is that most, if not all, members of INC will support it, regardless of any consequence that may come up once the RH Bill becomes a law.
Ruel Bautista, Laguna: Unlike Catholics, INC members follow orders of their leader faithfully, as shown during elections.
J.R.Mondonedo Jr., Parañaque City: Well, first of all, I support the RH Bill. The support of Iglesia Ni Cristo is favorable, especially since most members will follow the dictates of their leaders, although I find that absurd, as if the followers of Iglesia don’t have a mind of their own. But in this case, I feel INC is making more sense on this issue compared to the Catholic Church.

Battle royale with the Catholic Church

Felix Ramento, USA: Fortunately or unfortunately, the INC’s support is tainted by religious color that smacks of an open confrontation with the Roman Catholic Church over the RH bill.
Rey Ibalan, Antipolo City: That would be a big blow to the Catholic Church.

C.B. Manalastas, Manila: Expect a battle royale of influence between CBCP and Iglesia Ni Cristo, as well as pro-/anti-RH/RP Bill groups.

Jim Veneracion, Naga City: It will greatly impact on the rabid contra vote of the Catholic Church. The millions of INC votes might as well be the waterloo of the Church.

Example for the Catholic Church

Elpidio Que, Vigan: INC’s open declaration of support for the RH Bill is a strong signal for the Catholic Church to cut its bigotry and sham holiness in condemning the use of condoms and contraception as tools in halting population explosion, the spouse of corruption in transfixing us into a pauperdom. The frocked fathers, who have in their ranks lots of real biological fathers and child molesters, should now come to their senses that indeed, the pie on the table of the majority of Filipino families is shrinking because of their diminishing buying power, if at all, while the number of their children is expanding. This should tell P-Noy to push his policy of free choice and responsible parenthood without abortion. Other religious groups have joined the RH Bill bandwagon as well.

Catholics also support it

Ric Vergara, Calamba: I believe that a big majority of Catholics also support the RH bill.

Other religious groups

Gene Ian Saliganan, Cagayan: How about JIL, El Shaddai? Come on! Show your side, brothers.
Louella Brown, Baguio City: I sense more religious denominations openly supporting the RH Bill with the support of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.

Join the bandwagon

Dennis Montealto, Mandaluyong City: INC is just catering to the voice of the noisy crowd. The Church has always been a sign of contradiction, just as Christ exemplified. As to those sects that join the bandwagon, well, they have their own leaders to follow.
Rodolfo Talledo, Angeles City: The INC and other religious groups just echoed the majority and popular public sentiment, which the arrogant, stubborn Catholic hierarchy philosophizes as sinful and criminal. Priests and bishops should stop acting like the tyrannical friars of the olden days if they expect believers to remain faithful.

CBCP as sole dissenter

Donato Brazil, Quezon City: As the INC, along with other religious groups, join hands in supporting the swift passage of the RH Bill, it leaves out the CBCP as the lone dissenter standing in the middle of the road. Ironically, with the Catholic Church as a staunch supporter, the mother has now become a pain-in-the-neck of the son on this issue. Still, it remains to be seen whether it can effectively control population growth that will translate to a quality life among the poor. Otherwise, if the population continues to swell at its present rate and the gap between the rich and the poor widens, then someone will say “Seeeeee?”.
Jose Fabello Jr., Cagayan de Oro City: None that I can consider so spectacular. Almost all religious organizations support the RH Bill. The Catholic Church is the exception.

Leave it up to God

Germi Sison, Cabanatuan City: Though I am a Protestant, I have yet to see a Protestant church that is against the RH Bill. With the Iglesia Ni Cristo supporting the bill, numbers will now decide the issue favorably. As someone against the bill, I leave the matter to God, who has the perfect wisdom. He allowed Himself to be arrested and did not call upon His legion of angels to change the turn of events. He submitted to authority and never protested when He was sentenced to be crucified at the instance of church leaders.

Pragmatic

Dr. Jose Balcanao, Benguet: It implies that the Iglesia Ni Cristo has a more pragmatic perspective on social realities. What can we gain from arguing against the RH Bill if many big-sized poor families cannot even provide quality life to their starving children? Let us stop the moro-moro style of arguing about the RH Bill and let us not play politics on the issue.

Engage itself in debate

Jesus Mendoza, Pangasinan: I see no major impact from INC supporting the RH bill, except that it has to engage itself in debate on its morality, based on facts and enlightened reason.

Separation of Church and state

Reynold Fulgencio, Bulacan: It sows confusion as to who holds the better version of morality. Why do churches always meddle on affairs of the state?
Janet Lopez, Manila: The INC is merely exercising its right to express its stand on an issue that affects both Church and state. It is very shallow thinking to say: Hands off, walang “kapatid Damaso” dito.
Mandy Rillon, Cabanatuan City: I admire the Iglesia Ni Cristo for its outright support of the RH Bill. I regret that there are people and churches that do not reveal themselves in supporting this bill, yet they know its substance and good intent. It is not an encumbrance on the separation of church and state, but a brave act in choosing life that is blessed and prosperous.

P-Noy under pressure

Ella Arenas, Pangasinan: Politically, the INC is an influential religion by virtue of its voting power and it has supported P-Noy during the elections, so it would not be a surprise if P-Noy will be subjected to enormous pressure when dealing with the RH Bill, because he has to make a very delicate balance between his personal convictions and pleasing a major political supporter.
Rex Earlou Calmerin, Iligan City: The bigger the support the RH Bill musters, the more attention it will get from the Catholic Church. Chances are, P-Noy would be ousted.
Cris Rivera, Rizal: Like the INC, though Catholic, I’m not one among Catholic parishioners and priests threatening and coercing P-Noy. It invites perdition.
Noel Alquiza, Metro Manila: Nothing, for INC is merely airing its stand as citizens, just like any other sects, like Pastor Quiboloy who is also pro-RH Bill. With or without their support, the President stands by what he believes is good for all sectors in our society, in spite of the strong opposition of the church.

Up to Congress

Lucas Banzon Madamba, Laguna: The Iglesia Ni Cristo may be a large group, but it will still largely depend on the Philippine Congress, which creates and establishes bills, and also the President who has the power either to sign a bill into law or to veto it.
Pedro Alagano Sr., Vigan City: INC’s support of the RH Bill is a subtle technique to induce and encourage solons and also the President who got their support and won in the last elections. The fate of the RH Bill is now in their hands and the said impact will be mirrored if it results are in the affirmative.

Time for government action

Louie Vallo, Pangasinan: Does the government have to wait for the support of a religious block to have the guts or political will to pursue the enactment and implementation of the RH Bill? Whether all the religions are for or against the bill, the government must do what it must to ensure that the ballooning population is checked and controlled so that basic public services would be delivered effectively to the populace.

Influential sect

June Deoferio, Cavite: INC’s support will have a big impact, especially on lawmakers that are against the RH Bill, because of the votes coming from the Iglesia Ni Cristo bloc.
Richard Decena, Quezon City: Sigurado po na papasa ang RH Bill dahil kailangan po ng mga pulitiko natin ang boto ng mga kapanalig ng Iglesia Ni Cristo.
Jemz Ramos, Metro Manila: With the support of the INC on the RH Bill, politicians will surely vote for the passage. INC should develop the mentality of making public its views.
Princes Mines, Metro Manila: I love Iglesia Ni Cristo. They’re modern-day moralists. Sana dumami pa ang ating kapatid.

INC’s prerogative

Lydia Reyes, Bataan: We are in a democratic country. If the INC wants to push RH Bill, so be it. Karapatan nila iyon eh.
Dr. Francis Regalado, Manila: It’s INC’s prerogative. I believe, however, that the problem is not the population explosion in this country, but corruption. Get rid of corruption, and the population will be happy, well-funded and taken care of.

Here’s the real deal

Keith Harcourt, Metro Manila: Big pharmaceutical companies invested a big sum of money to lobby for the passage of this bill, because it stands to gain the most economically as well as immorally, due to its depopulation scheme when this bill becomes law. Certainly, a good amount of the lobby money went into the pockets of leaders of religious institutions, whose members are ignorant that money was involved just to support the passage of this bill. The ones who will suffer later are those members and ignorant people who were fooled into thinking that this bill, when it becomes law, was meant to uplift their physical and spiritual welfare. Realization always comes later for many, but rest assured that those who are rewarded for their deception now will eventually reap the wrath of God’s justice later.

What have we done about it?

Elmo Cruz, Manila: It is for us believers, Roman Catholic or Protestants alike, to reflect on our attitude and actuations that have given way to God’s abhorred artificial means as a better option than natural means for birth control. Fifty years ago, overpopulation was already blamed for rising poverty and hunger. The Church then thought that artificial means in birth control was a sin, but failed to educate how to practice natural means without so much difficulty. At the same time, the Church neglected the cries of the poor begging for alms, as she was focused in spending ostentatiously their resources in splendored rituals and erecting magnificent church buildings.

RH Bill approval imminent

Ruben Viray, Antipolo City: The approval of the said bill is imminent.

Ranks of Catholics will grow

Alanah Jean Bacerra, Bacolod City: This could mean more Roman Catholics and less Iglesias in the future (tongue-in-cheek). LOL.

Pro-RH

Marlon Posidio Guiao, Pampanga: Nice, I support it.
Edwin Castillo, Tanauan City: Like in an election, the Iglesia Ni Cristo has a solid vote of support for the passage of the RH Bill. I may be Catholic but count me in as pro-RH Bill.
Ricardo Tolentino, Laoag City: The impact is great for religious faiths give conflicting stands on RH Bill. It gives due advantage to supporters of the RH Bill, including me.
Johann Lucas, Quezon City: Kudos, INC, for supporting this very important bill. While the CBCP is pressuring the government not to pass this, at least the Filipinos have the INC to realize this much-awaited pro-life bill.
Miguelito Herrera, Cabanatuan City: With INC’s support of the RH Bill, only then can real sustained reforms begin.
source: philstar.com

Hawak pa rin pala ng Iglesia Katolika ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas

Separation of Church and State, natutupad nga ba?

Obvious na obvious sa mga Plipino na ang gobyerno at ang mga nasa gobyerno ay hawak pa rin sa leeg ng Iglesia Katolika, tulad dati noong panahon ng mga kastila, at dahil nga majority ng mga Pilipino ay Katoliko, ito ang lakas ng Iglesia Katolika upang pakialaman ang gobyerno.

Magtataka pa ba tayo kung bakit ganun na lang kung tumutol ang Iglesia Katolika sa RH BILL?

-Pag mas maraming katoliko, no choice ang mga nasa gobyerno dahil ito ang lakas ng RCC.
-Mas kokonti ang infant baptism, kaya mas kokonti ang paglago ng bilang ng mga Katoliko.

Ang mga nakakatuwang obserbasyon lang ay pati mga Katoliko, at mismong mga pari, at mga obispo ay hati ang opinyon sa RH BILL. Pinagpipilitan pa nilang ang overpopulation daw sa Pilipinas ay isa lamang MYTH. Sinasabi rin nilang hindi naman daw makakatulong ang RH BILL sa pagkonti ng populasyon sa Pilipinas. Hindi rin daw ito sagot sa kahirap ng mga Pilipino.

WALA NAMANG SINASABING ANG NO.1 solution sa kahirapan ng Pilipinas ay ang RH BILL!

Kung magiging open minded lang tayo, sasaang ayon tayong lahat sa pinupunto ng RH BILL, hindi yung nagdidisinformation campaign tungkol dito, na kesyo gagawing legal ang aborsyon at iba pa, bakit kasi kailangan pang pakialaman ng Roman Catholic Church (RCC) ang gobyerno?

Nakakatuwa ring obserbasyon kung paano nila gawan ng kwento na ang Iglesia ni Cristo DAW ay nangingialam sa pulitika, niloloby daw ang mga politiko para kay Corona, Merceditas Guttierez, at Gloria Arroyo, na wala namang nakapagpatunay na totoo ngang GUMAWA NG HAKBANG ANG INC para sa mga bagay na ito. Kesyo tinatakot daw ng INC ang ibang politiko na hindi sila iboboto sa eleksyon at iba pa.

Lahat ng ito ay pawang kasinungalingan, ngunit itong mga bagay na ito, ang RCC ang gumagawa!

"Some Church officials did not shy away from reminding lawmakers that their vote could affect their chances of victory in the next elections.
Bishop Gabriel Reyes, head of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said the Church would be issuing guidelines to voters in the 2013 local elections that will tell them to choose a candidate who are pro-life.
El-Shaddai leader Mike Velarde, in his speech before the Mass, said: “Those who vote for the RH bill. You know what will happen. RIP.” source: inquirer.net

Eto pa...

"As Congress prepares to vote on the controversial Reproductive Health bill, all eyes are focused on the bishops of the Catholic Church. They have done everything to thwart the passage of the bill, including intense person-to-person lobbying for every legislator’s vote." source: inquirer.net

Kaya takot na takot ang mga politiko, wala silang magawa kundi bumoto against sa RH BILL, ito po ang totoong PANGINGIALAM SA PULITIKA, hindi yung aakusahan ang INC ng mga bagay na di naman nito ginagawa, ang INC bumoboto lang as one dahil sa doktrina ukol sa pagkakaisa, yun lang at wala ng iba pa.

Isa pa palang nakakatuwang obserbasyon ay ang mismong Presidente ng Pilipinas, na alam naman natin na ang nanay nya ay isang deboto at saradong katoliko ang nagsusulong ng RH BILL.

Nung sabado lang ay nagkaroon ng malawakang protesta ang mga katoliko sa ibat ibang lugar, asan na ang MILYUN MILYONG katoliko? Bakit iilang libo lang ang nakikisa? May pagkakaisa nga bang talaga sa Iglesia Katolika?

Ito pa...

Ano kaya ang kahahatungan ng pangingialam sa pulitika ng RCC, na pilit inaakusa sa INC ng walang batayan at ebidensya, sa pagpasa ng RH BILL? Ano kaya ang magiging desisyon ng mga katolikong pulitiko, ano kaya ang susundin nila, ang stand ng relihiyon nila o ang desisyon para sa ikabubuti ng bansa?


Abangan na lang natin...

Video: INC'S stand about the RH BILL

Here is a video from the program Ang Tamang Daan of the Iglesia ni Cristo, and the topic is about the rh bill and what the bible teaches...

Before watching the video, pls. first be OPEN MINDED, if you cant, JUST IGNORE THIS VIDEO. thank you...

I also have searched a video about 'filipinos support life', there is also a priest there i think, that SUPPORTS RH BILL EVEN HE WILL BE EXCOMMUNICATED, he further said that even that will be happened, he should decide with his conscience

(so, this is the result of the catholic church's DECIDE BASED ON YOUR CONSCIENCE, haha even it is against in the teachings of the church! Catholics, rock and roll! where every catholic criticize inc's block voting because they say ministers dictates members, no, no, no! it is following church's doctrines that is based from the bible! so it will result to unity! and no division among members. And what's happening in the Catholic church is contrary to the INC, THEY ARE ALL DIVIDED! IS THAT CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH? EACH WITH DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND PRINCIPLES?^^)

here it is:

"God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; ..." Gen. 1:28

Roman Catholic Church is indeed united!

Before i make an article about the rh bill and the inquisition, ive accidentally search about this thing, and im not the only one who have such idea about the connection of the Catholic Church to the rh bill and the famous Inquisition. Then, after reading that article, it is really indeed that the Catholic Church is UNITED!^^

Here is the article:

Priest likens church pressure vs. Rh bill to the Inquisition

Amid the Catholic bishops' strong opposition to the Reproductive Health (RH) bill, one of the clergy's leading intellectuals has a different view on the controversial measure, saying that attempts of some members of the Church to dissuade the public from supporting the bill is "reminiscent of the Inquisition."

In a recent blog entry, Jesuit priest Fr. Joaquin Bernas, S.J., said a sector of the Church is giving Catholic religion a bad name by trying to impose Catholic beliefs on everyone. He wrote about the "furor" over the Barangay Ayala Alabang ordinance that, among others, requires a doctor's prescription when buying artificial contraception like condoms.

Bernas, Dean Emeritus of the Ateneo Law School, a law degree holder and a prominent constitutionalist, noted the technicalities of the Ayala Alabang ordinance. He says, for example, that Republic Act 5921 or an Act Regulating the Practice of Pharmacy, on which the ordinance is based, regulates only the actions of pharmacists and not the activity of buyers of pharmaceutical goods.

However, he pointed out that these are "technical matters that can easily be verified." He said it is "more eerily fundamental" that the situation seems to be an attempt by a sector of the Catholic Church to instrumentalize the power of the state to impose Catholic belief on all others.

"[W]hen it comes to contraception, the nation divides mainly along religious lines," he said. "The official Catholic teaching is that artificial contraception is immoral. Other religions believe in good faith otherwise."

"Seeking to impose Catholic belief and practices on non-Catholics and others violates freedom of religion," he said.

In another blog entry, Bernas said he is not going against the teaching of the Church, citing a provision in the Vatican II declaration entitled "Dignitatis Humanae" (Latin for "Of the dignity of the human person") that supports a person's right to religious freedom.

The provision says a person has a right to religious freedom, which means all men "are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits."

In July 2010, Bernas co-authored talking points for Dialogue on the RH Bill with Fr. Eric Genilo, S.J. and Fr. John Carroll, S.J. In it he expressed that a "critical and constructive engagement" is necessary between the bill proponents and the Church so that the debate is not focused only on whether the RH bill should be passed or rejected.

The paper argued that even if the majority of the population of the country are Catholics, the democratic system should ensure that "public policies are not determined solely by majority vote but also by a careful consideration of the common good of all, including non-Catholics."

The paper also pointed out that it is the duty of various religions to "teach their faithful and form their consciences about what their religious tradition allows and prohibits with regard to family planning," while the government should provide information and training for both natural and artificial methods of family planning.

"Consciences will thus be better equipped to make informed choices according to their religious traditions," it said.

Bernas et al. wrote that everyone needs to come to a consensus for the common good, adding that the freedom of conscience of every Filipino – whether Catholic or non-Catholic – must be respected.

'Eclectic Catholics'

Speaking from the other side of the RH bill divide, however, Archbishop Emeritus Oscar Cruz said freedom of choice is not absolute, and people are only free to do what is right and not what is wrong.

In an interview with GMA News Online, Cruz said he does not agree with Bernas when the latter said imposing Catholic beliefs on everyone is a violation of freedom of religion.

"In fact, this is not a teaching based on Catholic faith but based on natural law and based on reason," he said. "The arguments being propounded by the CBCP (Catholics Bishops' Conference of the Philippines) against the RH bill are because of the teachings of nature and reason, not because of Catholicism."

He cited for example the Ten Commandments, where it states that one should not kill, steal or covet one's wife. "Huwag mong sabihin na sa Katoliko lang 'yun. It is carried by the Catholic Church but it applies to everyone," he said. (Don't tell me that it only applies to Catholics. It is carried by the Catholic Church but it applies to everyone.)

Cruz said he fears that priests like Bernas who rally behind RH bill advocates will promote the emergence of more "eclectic Catholics" who only follow teachings of the Church that they want to follow and are "convenient" for them.

"We have a good number of people who are eclectic Catholics, which is a pity because [they] are neither here nor there," he said, adding that some priests are also becoming that way.

Cruz likened members of religious orders who believe in the RH bill to the apostle Judas who betrayed Jesus.

"Sa labindalawang apostol, may isang Hudas. Sa dami-dami naming mga pari eh meron ding nagtataksil," he said. (Among the twelve apostles, there is one Judas. Out of many priests, there are also a few who betray.)

Cruz did not say which religious order he is referring to.

"I can't imagine why they would support the RH bill," he added. "Kung nagpari ka pa, mamimili ka ng gusto mong doktrina pero 'di mo susundin ang mga itinuturo niyo, cheap na cheap naman 'yon." (If you entered priesthood and picked this doctrine but do not follow its teachings, that's really too cheap.)—JV, GMA News

source: Gmanews.tv

And now, you can say WWWOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!!!

No one can beat the Catholic Church in having
united DOCTRINES, and members with UNITED FAITH!^^

A very funny and famous dialogue of the catholic defenders and authorities if there are members and so on who is contrary to the church, they also say this dialogue to priests who converted to the INC, a very INTELLIGENT DEFENSE:

"Sa labindalawang apostol, may isang Hudas. Sa dami-dami naming mga pari eh meron ding nagtataksil," he said. (Among the twelve apostles, there is one Judas. Out of many priests, there are also a few who betray.)

hahaha^^


CONCLUSION: It is also indeed that catholic defenders/priests are well TRAINED in defending the church!

I will give standing ovation and a big around of applause to those catholic authorities who doesnt let their BELIEFS influence their true opinion and so the reality.

Simply, THEY WERE DIVIDED BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH'S
"OWN CONSCIENCE TEACHING". yeah!