RH bill: The grand debate-gmanews.tv

There is a program yesterday night, coincidentally that ive turn the channel to channel 11 gmanews.tv that caught my attention, that is, the RH bill: The grand debate...

Ive watched the whole show and its very interesting, sorry to say but the ANTI-RH BILL LOSE! They are what the filipino proverbs say: "Ginigisa sa sariling mantika" hehe
Without being bias, even though i am a pro-rh bill, i will tell the story:

There are set of 3 debaters,

1st round: anti rh, cong. magsaysay vs. pro rh, cong. garin

Cong. Garin is very good in her presentation, all in all she won the debate in the 1st round. Cong. Magsaysay also made her good argument, about the funds of the government, she said the funds on education was lessen by the administration and so the ultimate solution is education and not RH BILL. It caught me, but Cong. Garin defended their side, she said that i think its normal because the other needs should also be funded, her point was, even though the government put so much funds in the education department, if the family continues to increase their family member, it cannot be resolved anyway even the government try its best.

2nd round: anti rh, bishop teodoro bacani vs. pro rh, efren tendero

Bishop Bacani of the Catholic Church seems to be funny here, because of his age, on the 1min. time that he should explain their side, he always didnt finish what he was saying, and he always smile and laugh i think because the other side is making scores, hehe Bishop efren tendero of the phil. council of evangelical churches, has a well point here, he stated that yes, it is said in the bible that god instruct ADAM AND EVE to go fourth and multiply, but its already 2011, in this country we have 90million plus filipinos, that it is also said in the bible that the family should be taken care. How could it be that if you have so many children that you cannot raise and feed them. 2nd round is for pro rh bill!

3rd round: anti rh, PROF. Racelis vs. pro rh Pia Magallona

My first impression is that Pia Magallona should not be picked because they will loose in the 3rd round, and because the other debater is a professor i think the prof. will win. BUT ITS NOT. Pia Magallona, even though she doesnt have such knowledge about it, she stands for it, even though her specialty is parenting. She said that it is more IMMORAL that you have children but cannot raise and feed them, she has a good argument here. On the other side Prof. Racelis, i really didnt understand what she said. hehe but i get what is her point, she was countered by her co-professor in UP, one of the pro rh panel Dr. Sylvia Caludio, that there are many of the prof. in UP and even the deans are pro rh, and so on.

The panel of pro rh were Carlos Celdran, Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel, and Dr. Sylvia Claudio. Risa Hontivers and Sylvia Claudio were very good interrogators, that's why the anti rh is always you know... hehehe Somehow the panel of anti rh were Bishop Deogracias Iñiguez Jr. and Antonio Torralba, and Dr. Deane Campo-Cruz, im sorry to say but they did not really made good arguments and CANT make good arguments. I just hope some able to watch it yesterday, so you may know what am i saying...

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I also hope that what i think it is Forest King who said that pro rh bill on the debate on ABSCBN lose, what a pity! I wish ive watched that debate so that i can see who WON in that debate, because we cannot trust BIAS CATHOLICS in witnessing events...^^

Why does this bill like this? I mean it becomes so controversial that it cannot pass by the government, why this bill i think the only bill that gone through these, like be debated on television and so on... YOU KNOW WHY?


IT IS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
IF ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDNT MEDDLES IN POLITICS, DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BECOME CONTROVERSIAL?

The CATHOLIC CHURCH use her power to influence other people, even our president, use senators and so on and MAKE SOME ARGUMENTS for exam. the funds will just be corrupted and so on, THESE ARE JUST EXCUSES SO THAT THE RH BILL WILL NOT BE PASSED!

You know why CBCP and bishops making efforts to do so? Because if the rh bill will be passed, its a BIG EMBARRASSMENT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S TEACHING! The pope and the church will be fallible AND THEY DONT WANT IT TO HAPPEN...

Anti rh bill REALLY GIVE MISLEAD INFORMATIONS ABOUT USING CONTRACEPTIVES AND SO ON. They are losers because they show that they are close-minded and have a poor educational background.

But really, you know, these anti rh bill senators, and so on would not that be aggressive and so on, if only the CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL NOT IN ANY WAY INFLUENCE THEM AND MEDDLES IN THIS ISSUE.

RH BILL AS WHAT THEY SAY, DOESNT FORCE PEOPLE TO USE THIS AND THAT, NOT WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES, THAT THEY DICTATE PEOPLE. THE BILL RESPECTS EACH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, ITS A CHOICE, THEY SAID.

if it is a choice why the bishops and so on are so stubborn?

RH BILL IS ANYWAY NOT CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE!
IT IS NOT IMMORAL!

The immorals is this: click the link

Why dont they give chance for the bill to be passed? The president will not think for the badness of the country, you all know that. If it becomes ineffective, then delete the bill.

AGAIN, RH BILL IS NOT THE SOLUTION OR ULTIMATE SOLUTION, ITS NOT A CURE TO POVERTY, ITS JUST ONE OF THE MANY WAYS THAT CAN HELP TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM...

It is not like what anti-rh bill says that it is education is the ultimate solution... hello? even the government try its best, it is like, if the SUPPLY is not enough for the DEMAND, it will be USELESS. How can parents bring their children to school if they have even no money to buy food.


TO THOSE ANTI RH BILL,

BE OPEN MINDED!
DONT MAKE SOME EXCUSE JUST NOT TO PASS THE BILL!
DONT SHOW THAT YOU HAVE A POOR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND RECEIVED!
DONT EVER MAKE OPINION JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH'S STAND ABOUT IT!
DONT BE FOOLED BY MISLEAD INFO'S MADE BY CATHOLICS AND THOSE ANTI-RH BILL!

Catholic Church's role on the rh bill and Inquisition

What is the role of the "Holy", "Apostolic", Roman, Catholic, "Church" in the Rh bill and the Inquisition?

From the question stated above, i know youre getting my point!^^

To those who were not aware on the reality, the Catholic Church is opposed on passing the bill because they say it will point on being legal of abortion and so on. In the image on this of the Catholic Church, it is like they treat life SO MUCH IMPORTANCE, and so they are so HOLY and in caring "human's life" with low understanding about using contraception and so on.

What am i wondering is that if they really TREAT LIFE as sacred why then in the famous Inquisition happened hundred years ago, they do not give IMPORTANCE TO LIFE?

dont know what i am talking about? Ok, let's start! I will not post about the rh bill because we already knew catholic church's stand about it, i will just post about the Inquisition! My source is the wikipedia:

"The term Inquisition can apply to any one of several institutions which fought against heretics (or other offenders against canon law) within the justice-system of the Roman Catholic Church.

Although similar institutions existed within Calvinist and other Protestant churches, the term "Inquisition" is usually applied to that of the Catholic Church."

Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition:

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1231–16th century)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )

MEDIEVAL INQUISITION

"These inquisitions responded to large popular movements throughout Europe considered apostate or heretical to Christianity, in particular the Cathars in southern France and the Waldensians in both southern France and northern Italy".

"Legal basis for some inquisitorial activity came from Pope Innocent IV's papal bull Ad exstirpanda of 1252, which authorized and regulated the use of torture in investigating heresy".


SPANISH INQUISITION

"In contrast to the previous inquisitions, it operated completely under royal authority, though staffed by secular clergy and orders, and independently of the Holy See."

"It targeted primarily converts from Islam Muslims (Moriscos or secret Moors) and converts from Judaism (Conversos and Marranos) — both groups still resided in Spain after the end of the Islamic control of Spain — who came under suspicion of either continuing to adhere to their old religion or of having fallen back into it. Somewhat later the Spanish Inquisition took an interest in Protestants of virtually any sect, notably in the Spanish Netherlands. In the Spanish possessions of the Kingdom of Sicily and the Kingdom of Naples in southern Italy, which formed part of the Spanish Crown's hereditary possessions, it also targeted Greek Orthodox Christians."


PORTUGUESE INQUISITION

"The Portuguese Inquisition principally targeted the Sephardic Jews, whom the state forced to convert to Christianity. Spain had expelled its Sephardic population in 1492 ; after 1492 many of these Spanish Jews left Spain for Portugal but eventually became targeted there as well."

"It concentrated its efforts on rooting out converts from other faiths (overwhelmingly Judaism) who did not adhere to the observances of Catholic orthodoxy; the Portuguese inquisitors mostly targeted the Jewish "New Christians", conversos, or marranos."

" In addition, the Inquisition prosecuted non-converts who broke prohibitions against the observance of Hindu or Muslim rites or interfered with Portuguese attempts to convert non-Christians to Catholicism."

"According to Henry Charles Lea, between 1540 and 1794 tribunals in Lisbon, Porto, Coimbra and Évora resulted in the burning of 1,175 persons, the burning of another 633 in effigy, and the penancing of 29,590. But documentation of fifteen out of 689"


ROMAN INQUISITION

"In 1542 Pope Paul III established the Congregation of the Holy Office of the Inquisition as a permanent congregation staffed with cardinals and other officials. It had the tasks of maintaining and defending the integrity of the faith and of examining and proscribing errors and false doctrines;"

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Meaning to say, the Catholic Church is not only responsible of the people who they have killed by burning at stake, tortured and so on, but responsible on the FORCED CONVERSION OF OTHER FAITH TO CATHOLICISM!

Is that the true Church of Christ?

Did Christ in his time FORCED people to join his church?

Did Christ and the apostles tortured or burned in the stake those who guilty of heresy?

Is that a work of CHRIST'S PEOPLE/CHURCH?

But wait, it is not the end, let us proceed:


GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT:

How many died in those Inquisition? and also how many are tortured?^^
According to catholicbridge.com:

According to public news reports the book's editor, Prof. Agostino Borromeo, stated that about 125,000 persons were investigated by the Spanish Inquisition, of which 1.8% were executed (2,250 people). Most of these deaths occurred in the first decade and a half of the Inquisition's 350 year history. In Portugal of the 13,000 tried in the 16th and early 17th century 5.7% were said to have been condemned to death. News articles did not report if Portugal's higher percentage included those sentenced to death in effigy (i.e. an image burnt instead of the actual person). For example, historian Gustav Henningsen reported that statistical tabulations of 50,000 recorded cases tried by nineteen Spanish tribunals between 1540-1700 found 775 people (1.7%) were actually executed while another 700 (1.4%) were sentenced to death in effigy ("El 'banco de datos' del Santo Oficio: Las relaciones de causas de la Inquisición española, 1550-1700", BRAH, 174, 1977). Jewish historian Steven Katz remarked on the Medieval Inquisition that "in its entirety, the thirteenth and fourteenth century Inquisition put very few people to death and sent few people to prison; 90 percent of its sentences were canonical penances" (The Holocaust in Historical Context, 1994).
During the high point of the Spanish Inquisition from 1478-1530 AD, scholars found that approximately 1,500-2,000 people were found guilty. From that point forward, there are exact records available of all "guilty" sentences which amounted to 775 executions. In the full 200 years of the Spanish Inquisition, less than 1% of the population had any contact with it, people outside of the major cities didn't even know about it. The Inquisition was not applied to Jews or Moslems, unless they were baptised as Christians.
If we add the figures, we find that the entire Inquisition of 500 years, caused about 6,000 deaths. These atrocities are completely inexcusable.

OFCOURSE, IT IS INEXCUSABLE! EVEN IF IT IS ONLY 10 OR 5 DIED, STILL THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING PEOPLE WHO DID NOT FOLLOWED AND OBEYED CHURCH DOCTRINES AND TEACHINGS!

Let us say this calculation is true that only 6,000 died, well, meaning to say half a million were tortured! i know all the people who are under investigation on those times were TORTURED!

and i know that its a very LOW estimation, why? The Catholic Church make it to low estimation so that they are free in the responsible of millions and millions of people died, in the estimation made by some scholars!

Am i lying about the Inquisition? well, let us see, from world news:

The Inquisition
The attempt to combat suspected apostates, Jews and Muslims at the time of the Reformation spawned tribunals in Europe and the new world that tortured and executed thousands. Ecclesiastical queasiness about flowing blood led to the use of racks, thumbscrews and red-hot metal instead of blades; 2,000 people were burned at the stake during the tenure of Spain's first grand inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada. from the article Pope says sorry for sins of church

Ask yourself, Is the Catholic Church really
CARES FOR THE HUMAN LIFE OR NOT?

Search Inquisition in your favorite search engines so you may know what am i talking about!

INC in RH bill

Iglesia ni Cristo backs RH bill

THE influential Iglesia ni Cristo said it is willing to support bills on reproductive health “as long as there would be no immoral elements in them.”
In a letter to Representative Rogelio J. Espina, chairman of the population and family relations committee in the House of Representatives, Eduardo Manalo, INC executive minister, said the organization supports “modern methods of contraception” as long as they do not encourage abortion that, with the use of “abortifacients involve the taking of life, which God explicitly forbids.”
He said INC does “not support the natural family planning method and all its variants. These so called birth control methods depend upon abstinence on the part of the married couple. These methods are not only unnatural and ineffective but they are also immoral, since they contradict the commandment that God has given to married couples,” Manalo said. “Parents today have a moral obligation to plan the number of their children and keep it under control.”
“We believe that it is a moral imperative for parents to watch over all their children and provide them with food, shelter and clothing as well as proper education and religious and moral training,” he said.
The INC has been known for its strong political influence, especially during elections when the organization reportedly votes as a bloc. It is also known to maintain a close “friendship” with incumbent administrations while not losing “discreet connection” with the opposition.
“We are all well aware of the dire situation of our country caused by overpopulation,” said Manalo, adding that many of society’s worsening ills “can be traced to families growing so large.”
source: cathnewsphil.com

Here is what written in the letter:

12 October 2010

HON. ROGELIO J. ESPINA, M.D.
Chairman
Committee on Population and Family Relations
House of Representatives
Republic of the Philippines

Dear Congressman Espina,

We would like to thank the Committee on Population and Family Relations for requesting our position concerning the Bills of Reproductive Health. We are all well aware of the dire situation of our country caused by overpopulation. Many of society’s worsening ills—from homeless families starving in miserable conditions and children not in school but instead begging day and night in nearly every major street to the rapidly spreading problems with drug abuse and rising crime rates—can be traced to families growing so large that an increasing number of parents cannot provide the most basic human needs to their families.

We consider it commendable that our lawmakers care enough for our fellow Filipinos that they are doing what they can do to alleviate the hardships so many of our countrymen are facing. IN what they propose, they can bring about not only an economic good for our countrymen but also a moral one. We are ready to support the Bills on Reproductive Health as long as there would be no immoral elements in them.

What are the moral aspects of the proposed bills that we support? We believe that it is moral imperative for parents to watch over all their children and provide them with food, shelter, and clothing, as well as proper education and religious and moral training. Hence, parents todayhave (sic) a moral obligation to plan the number of their children and keep it under control. The Bible states that a parent who does not provide for the needs of his own household is worse than an unbeliever (I Tim. 5:8). Since modern methods of contraception—by preventing married couples from having any unplanned pregnancies—assist in supporting this Christian principle, we support their use as long as these methods are empirically not abortifacient. Abortion and the use of abortifacients involve the taking of life, which God explicitly forbids (Exod. 20:13).

We do not support the natural family planning method and all its variants. These so-called birth control methods depend upon abstinence on the part of the married couple when the woman is fertile but allows marital relations only when she is not. These methods are not only unnatural and ineffective but they also are immoral, since they contradict the commandment that God has given to married couples. The Bible instructs married couples not to deprive one another of intimate marital relations for long, extended periods of time; further, any abstinence at all for a married couple is supposed to be with the mutual consent of husband and wife and not for the purpose of preventing pregnancies (I Cor. 7:3-5).

We appreciate the Committee’s gesture of soliciting our stand on this timely yet controversial issue.

Very truly yours,

EDUARDO V. MANALO
Executive Minister
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There is a bible verse that the Catholic Church believe, it is written in the book of GENESIS where people is still few, they say that God said: "go fourth and multiply", but when the earth is filled with people, that became a problem to most countries called OVERPOPULATION, do still we need to follow what was written in the bible made thousand years ago, about this thing?

When there is OVERPOPULATION, do we need to multiply and multiply to the point of some are dying because of hunger and so on?

Do you get the point?

the catholic church wanted to point out that God doesnt know what the words empty and full mean.


And so,

If there is one to BLAME WHY THE PHILIPPINES IS STILL ON POVERTY, we know whom to blame!

its not just about corruption, its about the INFLUENCE and the commanding of this powerful church to the government every now and then!

REMEMBER: Our resources is LIMITED!

this message is for those CATHOLIC DEFENDERS who have a low understanding about life, being blinded and influenced about their true opinion and what was happening in reality because of their faith!

I just admire those catholic authorities,and even priests that support the RH bill, YES! there are! and im not inventing a story because just this month, ive watch a documentary on channel 11, GMA NEWS TV, on reel time, about this.


Atleast, THEY ARE OPEN MINDED ON WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING ON REALITY!

AGAIN, ITS NOT JUST THE CORRUPTION IS THE PROBLEM HERE IN OUR COUNTRY THAT MAKES US STILL ON POVERTY!