"Ipaglaban mo nang puspusan ang pananampalataya. Panghawakan mong mabuti ang buhay na walang hanggan, dahil diyan ka tinawag ng Diyos nang ipahayag mo sa harap ng maraming saksi ang iyong pananalig kay Cristo." I Tim. 6:12

April 3, 2012

Accepting Christ as God?


Many christian churches believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is a God, or has a dual nature or one of the three Godhead in Trinity and etc. We all know that the idea and belief that Christ is God came from the formulation of the trinity only in the 4th century in 325 A.D by the First Council of Nicaea.

Want to know the history of formulation of the doctrine Trinity?
Click here ,you check your encyclopedia books.

This idea was formulated by the church fathers in the Catholic Church, and this doctrine trinity was only copied by many Protestant denominations/sects. Other churches made their own version of trinity or the doctrine about Christ as God. However, we members of the Iglesia ni Cristo knew the full knowledge about Christ, that he is not God, means he is a man, but not an ordinary man.

Nonmembers say that believing Christ as a "mere man" is blasphemous and so calling us "Anti-Christ" only because we believe what Christ and the bible says.

If it is true then, that our Lord Jesus Christ is a God (as what most christian churches teaches), these are my questions:


If Christ is a God, why did God the Father needed to command us to worship Christ?

Nonmembers say "Why do you worship Christ if worship only refers to God? So it means you acknowledge Christ as God."

We worship Christ not because he is a God, but because God "exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name" so that every knee should bow or in other words, everyone will worship Christ for the GLORY OF THE FATHER and not for the glory of Christ himself.

"Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever, so that all created beings in heaven and on earth—even those long ago dead and buried—will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ, and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father." Phil. 2:9-11 The message

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Phil. 2:9-11 NIV


If Christ was a God-incarnate, that has dual nature (true Man and true God) being a God, why cant he do in his own will and do miracles by himself?


I can do nothing by Myself. I say who is guilty only as My Father tells Me. That way, what I say is right, because I am not trying to do what I want to do. I am doing what the Father, Who sent Me, wants Me to do." John 5:30 NLV“My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true." Acts 2:22 Easy to read version

"Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me and respect Me and welcome Me gladly, for I proceeded (came forth) from God [out of His very presence]. I did not even come on My own authority or of My own accord (as self-appointed); but He sent Me." John 8:42



If Christ is a God, why did God the Father needed to make Jesus LORD and Christ? Did Christ cant do it by himself?

"The whole Jewish nation must know for sure that God has made this Jesus, both Lord and Christ. He is the One you nailed to a cross!” Acts 3:36



If the doctrine Trinity is correct saying trinity is co-equal with each other, why did our Lord Jesus Christ said "My father is greater than I am" and why will Christ be put UNDER God?


"As the Scriptures say, “God put everything under his control.” When it says that “everything” is put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control. After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the one who put everything under Christ. And Christ will be put under God so that God will be the complete ruler over everything." I Cor. 27-28

"You heard me say to you, 'I am going, but I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you should be happy that I am going back to the Father, because he is greater than I am.
" John 14:28



If Christ is a God, why he didnt just teach that the Father, holy spirit and he are one God? Why did he said "the ONLY TRUE GOD is the Father"? Why didnt he just said "I am also God, worship me" so that debates and arguments about the TRUE GOD never happened?

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3



What was written on the bible is that the ONLY TRUE GOD that we should acknowledge is but the Father only, and that Christ is only a human, why is that?

"There is one God and one mediator so that human beings can reach God. That way is through Christ Jesus, who is himself human. He gave himself as a payment to free all people. He is proof that came at the right time. That is why I was chosen to tell the Good News and to be an apostle. (I am telling the truth; I am not lying.) I was chosen to teach those who are not Jews to believe and to know the truth." I tim. 2: 5-7

"I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God, but you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that." John 8:40

“yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.” I cor. 8:6-7

If Christ acknowledge a God, while he himself is a God, then there will be two Gods, right?


"About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mat. 27:46

"Jesus said to her, "Don't hold on to me, because I have not yet gone up to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going back to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" John 20:17



If God the Father wanted to send his "already existed god-son" on earth for his plan to be fulfilled, why did he needed Christ to be in the womb of Mary? Why did he wanted Christ to experience being a baby (childhood-adolescence) while it is more convenient if Christ will just possess an adult human?


"Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, he has been manifested in the last times for your sakes.” I pet. 1:20

“This man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of god, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death.” acts 2:23



If you believe that "the word was God" in John 1:1 saying "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God", then it means youre accepting that there are two Gods?

If The word (God) was with God (another God) then there will be two Gods!

"THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine." (John 1:1, James Moffatt New Testament)

"In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine." (John 1:1, Goodspeed New Testament)

“First, it should be noted that text itself shows that the word was ‘with god’, hence could not ‘be god’, that is, be the almighty god. (note also verse 2, which would be unnecessary if verse 1 actually showed the word to be god.) Additionally, the word for ‘god’ (greek, the-os) in its second occurrence in the verse is without the definite article ‘the’(greek, ho).

Regarding this fact, Bishop Westcott coproducer of the noted wescott and hort greek text of the Christian scripture says: it is necessarily without the article (the’os not ho the’os) in as much as it describes the nature of the word, and does not identify his person”. (quoted from page 116 of AN IDOM-BOOK OF NEW TESTAMENT GREEK, by professor C.F.D Moule, 1953,ed.)” (AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING, p.919)



If Christ is the "image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15) and taking it literally, then you also believe that we are also Gods because God made us in his image and likeness (Gen 1:26), right?


We are all created in righteousness and holiness (likeness of God) like Christ but that doesnt mean we are Gods and so Christ.And Christ is the only human that did not sin.

“And that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.” Eph. 4:23-24

"Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices." Ecc. 7:29

"This is what you were called to do, because Christ suffered for you and gave you an example to follow. So you should do as he did. "He had never sinned, and he had never lied." I Pet. 2:21-22



If Christ is a God, why did God the Father or the only true God said "I am God and there's no other" and not "I am God and you should know that there is also God-Son and God-Holy spirit"?

“I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other,” Isa. 45:5-6
“Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deut. 4:39
“For You are great and do wondrous deeds; You alone are God.” Ps. 86:10
“For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears.” II Sam. 7:22
“Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.'" Isa. 44:8
“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And I am God.“ Isa. 43:12
“Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,” Isa. 46:9
“You are My witnesses," declares the LORD," And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.Isa. 43:10
“Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isa. 45:21


Islam, Judaism and Christianity has links to each other, they are called "abrahamic religions" and originated in the Middle East. Islam and Judaism are monotheistic religions while Catholicism claims that they are. Islam acknowledge only one God (Allah), Judaism also acknowledge only one God, but why is that Catholicism differ from the main belief about God as it acknowledge only one God but a triune god?



Islam
Judaism
Christianity
type of theism
strict monotheism
strict monotheism
Trinitarian monotheism
ultimate reality
one God
one God
one God
names of God
Allah (Arabic for God)
Yahweh, Elohim
Yahweh, the Holy Trinity

source: religionfacts.com






One more question:

If the trinity doctrine is unbiblical, and not what the apostles had preached about the TRUE GOD, SHOULD WE STILL BELIEVE AND ACCEPT THAT CHRIST IS GOD?

"But I am afraid that your minds will be led away from your true and pure following of Christ. This could happen just as Eve was tricked by that snake with his clever lies. You seem to be quite patient with anyone who comes to you and tells you about a Jesus that is different from the Jesus we told you about. You seem very willing to accept a spirit or a message that is different from the Spirit and message that you received from us." II Cor. 11:3-4


If these questions will be answered completely and honestly by any visitor here, and if i will be convinced then i will have to accept CHRIST AS GOD.

8 comments:

  1. If you believe that "the word was God" in John 1:1 saying "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God", then it means youre accepting that there are two Gods?

    NO, THERE WOULD STILL BE ONE GOD. WHY? BECAUSE GOD IS INFINITE AND INDIVISIBLE, HIM BEING TWO PERSONS DOES NOT MAKE HIM TWO GODS.

    YOUR REASONING IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES AND LAW OF PHYSICS OF THIS UNIVERSE. GOD IS NOT BOUND BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, HE IS NOT BOUND BY THE LAWS OF THIS UNIVERSE. HE ONLY CREATED THIS UNIVERSE, HE IS NOT BOUND BY HIS CREATION.

    IF ONE PERSON WHO IS HUMAN IS WITH ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS ALSO HUMAN, THEN THERE WOULD BE TWO HUMANS. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE FINITE AND DIVISIBLE. WE ARE BOUND BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS OF THIS UNIVERSE. WE ARE CREATED BEINGS.

    IF ONE PERSON WHO IS GOD IS WITH ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS GOD, THEN THERE WOULD STILL BE ONE GOD. WHY? BECAUSE GOD IS INFINITE AND INDIVISIBLE. GOD IS NOT BOUND BY THE SAME LAWS AS WE ARE. HE IS THE CREATOR, HE IS NOT BOUND BY THE LAWS OF HIS CREATION.

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    1. But the bible never teaches us that Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit are PERSONS in the Trinity.

      John 1:1, in your belief, this "Word" is Christ who is with God and who was God. The verse did not say, "and the Word was person/ a person" it says "and the Word was God" meaning, besides God, there is another God who is the WORD. This is based on trinitarian explanation that the WORD/CHRIST is God.

      If that's the case, there will be TWO GODS. The God who is the Father, and another God who is Christ. Please note that in TRINITY, the Father is not the Son, meaning, they are different. If they are one and the same, or lets say, CHRIST=FATHER then i will accept that you have ONE GOD and not TWO GODS.

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  2. If Christ is a God, why did God the Father or the only true God said "I am God and there's no other" and not "I am God and you should know that there is also God-Son and God-Holy spirit"?

    “I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other,” Isa. 45:5-6
    YAHWEH IS THE ONLY GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.
    BUT WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deut. 4:39
    YAHWEH IS THE GOD OF HEAVEN ABOVE AND ON THE EARTH BELOW, AND THERE IS NO OTHER - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “For You are great and do wondrous deeds; You alone are God.” Ps. 86:10
    THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears.” II Sam. 7:22
    THERE IS NO ONE LIKE YAHWEH, HE IS THE ONLY GOD - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.'" Isa. 44:8
    THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And I am God.“ Isa. 43:12
    THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES YAHWEH - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,” Isa. 46:9
    YES, THERE IS NOTHING LIKE GOD; THERE IS NO OTHER - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “You are My witnesses," declares the LORD," And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isa. 43:10
    YAHWEH IS THE ONLY GOD, NO GOD BEFORE HIM AND NO GOD AFTER HIM - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

    “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isa. 45:21
    YAHWEH IS THE ONLY GOD AND SAVIOUR - THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT
    BUT, WHERE IS THE WORD "FATHER"?

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    1. Here is the word "FATHER":


      Old Testament

      “But now, O LORD, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand.” Isa. 64:8

      "Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers? Malachi 2:10


      New Testament (in tagalog bibles):

      Para sa mga taga-Colosas na hinirang ng Diyos at mga tapat na kapatid kay Cristo. Sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at kapayapaang mula sa Diyos na ating Ama. Colosas 1:2

      Tuwing ipapanalangin namin kayo, lagi kaming nagpapasalamat sa Diyos na Ama ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Colosas 1:3

      Sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at kapayapaang mula sa Diyos na ating Ama at sa Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Filemon 1:3

      Purihin ang Diyos at Ama ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo! Pinagkalooban niya tayo ng lahat ng pagpapalang espirituwal at makalangit dahil sa ating pakikipag-isa kay Cristo. Efeso 1:3

      Hinihiling ko sa Diyos ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo, ang maluwalhating Ama, na ipagkaloob niya sa inyo ang Espiritu na nagbibigay ng karunungan at nagpapahayag tungkol sa Diyos upang lubos ninyo siyang makilala. Efeso 1:17

      iisang Diyos at Ama nating lahat. Siya ay higit sa lahat, kumikilos sa lahat, at nananatili sa lahat. Efeso 4:6

      Sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at kapayapaan ng Diyos na ating Ama at ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Filipos 1:2

      Purihin ang ating Diyos at Ama magpakailanman! Amen. Filipos 4:20

      Sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at kapayapaan mula sa Diyos na ating Ama at mula sa Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. I Cor. 1:3

      subalit para sa atin ay iisa lamang ang Diyos, ang Ama na lumikha ng lahat ng bagay, at tayo'y nabubuhay para sa kanya. Iisa ang Panginoon, si Jesu-Cristo, at sa pamamagitan niya'y nilikha ang lahat ng bagay, at sa pamamagitan din niya'y nabubuhay tayo. I Cor. 8:6

      Sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at ang kapayapaang mula sa Diyos na ating Ama at sa Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. II Cor. 1:2

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    2. continuation:

      Purihin natin ang Diyos at Ama ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo, ang mahabaging Ama at Diyos na pinagmumulan ng lahat ng kaaliwan. II Cor. 1:3

      Hindi ako nagsisinungaling. Iya'y alam ng Diyos at Ama ng Panginoong Jesus. Purihin siya magpakailanman! II Cor. 11:31

      Sa inyong lahat na nasa Roma, mga minamahal ng Diyos at tinawag upang maging banal, sumainyo nawa ang pagpapala at kapayapaang mula sa Diyos na ating Ama at sa Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Roma 1:7

      Binabanggit namin sa harapan ng ating Diyos at Ama ang inyong mga gawaing bunga ng inyong pananampalataya, ang inyong mga pagpapagal dahil sa inyong pag-ibig, at ang inyong pagtitiis dahil sa inyong pag-asa sa ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. I Tess. 1:3

      Patagin nawa ng Diyos na ating Ama, at ni Jesus na ating Panginoon ang aming daan tungo sa inyo. I Tess. 3:11

      Palalakasin niya ang inyong loob upang kayo'y manatiling banal at walang kapintasan sa harap ng ating Diyos at Ama hanggang sa muling pagdating ng ating Panginoong Jesus, kasama ang kanyang mga hinirang. I Tess. 3:13

      At patagin din nawa kayo ni Kristo Jesus na ating Panginoon at ng Diyos na ating Ama. Minahal niya tayo at sa kaniyang habag ay binigyan tayo ng walang hanggang kaaliwan at mabuting pag-asa; II tess. 2:16

      upang sa gayon, nagkakaisa kayong magpupuri sa Diyos at Ama ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Roma 15:6

      Ibinigay nga niya ang kaniyang sarili para sa ating mga kasalanan upang sagipin tayo mula sa masasamang panahong ito ayon sa kalooban ng ating Diyos at Ama; Gal. 1:4

      Hindi ba't dinidisiplina tayo ng ating mga magulang, at dahil diyan ay iginagalang natin sila? Hindi ba't upang tayo'y mabuhay, mas nararapat na tayo'y pasakop sa Diyos na ating Ama sa espiritu? Heb. 12:9

      "Pasalamatan natin ang Diyos at Ama ng ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo. Dahil sa laki ng habag niya sa atin, tayo'y binigyan niya ng isang panibagong buhay sa pamamagitan ng muling pagkabuhay ni Jesu-Cristo mula sa libingan at ito ang nagbigay sa atin ng isang buhay na pag-asa." I pedro 1:3

      Ang pagiging relihiyoso na dalisay at walang dungis sa harap ng ating Diyos at Ama ay ang pagtulong sa mga ulila at sa mga biyuda sa kanilang kahirapan, at pag-iingat sa sarili upang huwag mahawa sa kasamaan ng mundong ito. Santiago 1:27

      "Sabi ni Jesus, Huwag mo akong hawakan sapagkat hindi pa ako nakakapunta sa Ama. Sa halip, pumunta ka sa aking mga kapatid at sabihin mo sa kanila na aakyat ako sa aking Ama at inyong Ama, sa aking Diyos at inyong Diyos." Juan 20:17

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  3. If Christ acknowledge a God, while he himself is a God, then there will be two Gods, right?

    "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mat. 27:46

    "Jesus said to her, "Don't hold on to me, because I have not yet gone up to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going back to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

    NO, THERE WOULD STILL BE ONE GOD. WHY? BECAUSE GOD IS INFINITE AND INDIVISIBLE, HIM BEING TWO PERSONS DOES NOT MAKE HIM TWO GODS. JESUS ACKNOWLEDGE A GOD IN HIS HUMANITY (MATTHEW 27:46 AND JOHN 20:17).

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    1. You are wrong with the interpretation on the Trinity doctrine.

      You said: "BECAUSE GOD IS INFINITE AND INDIVISIBLE, HIM BEING TWO PERSONS..."

      Trinitarian God is not TWO PERSONS but THREE PERSONS. I already said in another comment somewhere in this blog that you should review your belief on Trinity.

      The Son is not the same as the Father, the son is not the Father and vice versa. If they are different to each other, then if Christ is a God that recognize another God, clearly you really have TWO GODS.



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  4. Islam, Judaism and Christianity has links to each other, they are called "abrahamic religions" and originated in the Middle East. Islam and Judaism are monotheistic religions while Catholicism claims that they are. Islam acknowledge only one God (Allah), Judaism also acknowledge only one God, but why is that Catholicism differ from the main belief about God as it acknowledge only one God but a triune god?

    BECAUSE ISLAM IS A FALSE RELIGION AND THE JEWS OF JUDAISM ARE STILL BLINDED UP TO THIS DAY UNTIL THE SECOND COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN THE LAST PART OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION WHEN HE COMES BACK FOR THEM.
    25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
    And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
    27 For this is My covenant with them,
    When I take away their sins.”

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