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August 30, 2010

A catholic defender agreed about "Far East-Philippines" discussion




This debate is between the Catholic Church represented by a member of St.Peter's men society, Mr. Casa and Iglesia ni Cristo represented by minister Bro. Bunag in Plaza Miranda, Philippines.

See it in the video 2:00-2:15, a very "hard to accept truth" that every catholics and catholic defenders always deny by saying that the INC ministers twists and distort the truth, they even create a stories/theories of what the verse really says.

So now, in a FACE TO FACE debate, they CANNOT and NEVER deny truths, one is that the Church of Christ will reemerge in the Philippines, where it is in the "FAR EAST".


(I try to translate it in english^_^)
from 0:22-2:15

Bro. Bunag: If the "Far east" is really in the bible, are you to disagree?
Mr. Casa: No.

Bro. Bunag: If i were to read the bible that says about "ends of the earth", are you to disagree?
Mr. Casa: I also read it.

Bro. Bunag: So, are you not to disagree?
Mr. Casa: Oh yes. (blah, blah, blah) [sorry, i cant hear what he said^_^]

Bro. Bunag: That's it!, On about the "redemption on Israel", do you skip to read it or not?
Mr. Casa: I skip it to read... (blah, blah, blah)
Bro. Bunag: That's it!!

(noise from the audience)


Bro. Bunag: On about to those who walks in water and walks in fire that will not be burned, do you know who they are?
Mr. Casa: Yes, I know it.

Bro. Bunag: So, who are they?
Mr. Casa: It is the Israel nation.

Bro. Bunag: That's it!, Therefore that what's being said in 4:1-3, right?
Mr. Casa: Yes.

Bro. Bunag: In verse 4, that you read...
Mr. Casa: I haven't read it yet, because im not yet finished.

Bro. Bunag: Is it in the verse 5, there will be sons and daughters?
Mr. Casa: Yes. It is the Israelites!

Bro. Bunag: Is it the sons and daughters as written in Rome will come from the Far east?
Mr. Casa: Yes, its right. But not in the Philippines!

Bro. Bunag: Is it that "Far east" from the reference material, Philippines is in the Far East?
Mr. Casa: Yes. Philippines is in the Far east!

(noise from the audience)

Here are the videos:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8


See? I think in the history of debates between the ministers in the INC and CFD of the RCC, there are no CFD wins over the ministers of our church. This is not my opinion just to say that CFD are loosers. But you know, in the past, where there are lots of debates happened, that's one of the biggest reasons why the INC converts thousands and thousands of people. Because of these such debates where the opponents always loose in debates and then convert in the INC.


See? the 2nd comment in here?

That's what i am talking about. If that is really the explanation to that, why does CFD always loose on that topic? Why they do not say about their created explanation/theory about that "Far East-Philippines" discussion?

Or by facing the fact, that the explanation only emerge nowadays?

By the help of the joined force catholic defenders in creating such "explanation" to that verse, so that it may not look like that what the bible refers to "far east" is not the Philippines.







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