"How to Ignore a question"...
Is the best title for our article, representing our instructor:
Cenon Bibe Jr. the author of one of the most commented blog (ass they make it like a forum, hehe) entitled TUMBUKIN NATIN, Hope you will get knowledge about this. So, lets start!But wait, let us introduce him... As what "Fr. Abe", the author of the blog Splendor of the church say...
"Bro. Cenon for many years was a columnist of the national newspaper TUMBOK. That is why the title of his Apologetic column is TUMBUKIN NATIN."
I try to ask 3 questions from him, because i want to know his/their side about that. And this were the questions:
#1 Prove that the Catholic Church has its history as it claimed, traced back in the 1st century.
#2 Prove that the Catholic Church is the Church established by Christ in the 1st century.
#3 Prove that the beliefs/doctrines in the Catholic Church were also the beliefs of the 1st century Christians...
Try to read his replies to me, for you will not say that i am bias.
#1 post of Cenon Bibe.
#2 post of Cenon Bibe.
FYI: My true question that i want to ask here to Sir Cenon Bibe Jr. is the #3, I just think to have another intro questions before the central topic. That is really my intention because i have a post here entitled "Still the original Church?" that can be a proof to support my question in no.3.
Then, he answers me by showing the most common verses used by the Catholic Defenders and other to prove that the Catholic Church is the church established by Christ, that the church cannot be and does not apostatized.
In his second post, he answers my follow up comment because i demand that my 3rd and true question was not answered. Then he said:
"WALA pong NAITUTOL ang KAANIB ng INC na si README sa artikulo natin na ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA ay NAGMULA pa NOONG UNANG SIGLO."
He claims the victory, as what he believe i doesnt have anything else to add or to say about his answers in his #1 post.
FYI: I go there to his blog to ask questions, not to debate or argue with him regarding our beliefs, because i know it will just point out to NONSENSE discussion like what's Catholic Defender, author of the blog In defense of the Church and SIMPLY CATHOLIC (username)does, the throwing of accusations!. And it does happen, what ive expected! Lets Continue... He even share his OPINION in his post, he said:
"NAKAKATUWA lang po na yung sinasabi ninyong "IDINAGDAG" NINYO ay yung NAUNA PANG MGA TANONG.
Hindi po ba ang IDINADAGDAG ay YUNG NAHUHULI. Kumbaga ay PAHABOL.
Sa INYO po pala ay BALIKTAD. Ang DAGDAG ay yung UNANG SINASABI at HINDI YUNG NAHUHULI."
"Mas marunong pa sya sa nagtatanong!"... One of the expressions of the Filipino that best SUIT to what he said, RIGHT? I also noticed that he makes simple things a VERY BIG DEAL! like this one.^_^
He also said that being the church established by Christ (Catholic church) is not a claim rather, it is a fact. Hmmm... When he is answering, he always want to make sure that he will get + points to the one who asks especially in diff. belief, that's one ive noticed.
He is a Catholic, that's why and im not surprised that he will say that because he wants to point out that the Catholic Church is the true Church Of Christ! mmmm... Then he said many of his feelings that the apostasy did not happen. He accuse me of not accepting the truth that the doctrines here in the INC were false and that in the CC are the true one.
He accuse me of having profit inside the church because of how i defend the INC on its teachings and accusations... Poor apologist, i knew his blog is meant to answer all who want to ask but i have noticed is that he just gives his own opinions and feelings whenever he answers and also he gives many ACCUSATIONS not knowing the TRUTH inside the INC.
That's how Catholic apologists/ Catholic Faith Defenders in common... In throwing ACCUSATIONS to the INC, but none of they say is TRUTH. Why? Because they are blinded by their beliefs, and thoughts. That's what you call the people blind LEADING THE BLIND.
Lets Proceed to his post...
After of his accusations, he then show bible verses to answer my #3 question like the Most common verse John 1:1 to prove that Christ is God and that what the Catholic's beliefs are the beliefs of the 1st century christians. But i said to him that i am not count it as a proof because the understanding of that verse will vary depends of the beliefs on an individual. Inshort, because he is a Catholic, he will say that the Word is God therefore Jesus is God. But what i want to happen, that i am challenging him for the answer of my question #3 is that he post ALL the doctrines of the Catholic Church with the Date it began and the author/s or the ones who created those doctrines...
But until now, he didnt post for he is scared to be defeated! He is scared for his fellow Catholics will know that MOST OF THE DOCTRINES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH were no proof to have its ORIGIN IN THE !ST CENTURY. Meaning, the beliefs in the Catholic Church were not the beliefs of the 1st century christians!!! That's ALL! period!
And now, he just posts comments in his last post to answer me, containing numerous accusations against the INC and me. And most of his comments were out of the topic, meaning HE IS IGNORING MY 3rd QUESTION because he cannot do my challenge to him! Just read his comments to me and also the comments of his co-members to me... All of their comments is to debunk the INC and me, to have POINTS with me, to say that they are in truth and that i am in the dark... They all put back to me what i say to them, to show that i am a lier and that i am a looser.
Poor creatures, their tactics are old as them. Tsk. Tsk. He says many many lies just to change and open my mind, but they cannot let me out in the
His answers made me think that he is not a credible apologist, but an INVENTOR of many lies!^_^ I hope Cenon Bibe Jr. change, he should say more on FACTS not his opinions and accusations. If he wanted others to trust him, he should say in TRUTH. How could other believe you if in a simple FACTs you cannot give? Like IGNORING MY 3RD QUESTION? WHY? TO COVER THE TRUTH IN THEIR
ahuhh... So now, my #3 question for me is the most challenging question to all of our Catholic Defenders, Especially Catholicdefender2000, the author of the In Defense of the Church who tried to "Answer" my post entitled "Still the original Church?". Ohh come on. Now i know Catholic defenders are now researching how to answer this kind of question...
"IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IDENTICAL, THE SAME WITH THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH REGARDING THE BELIEFS?"
Hmmmm... Go now and make a research how you will answer this! But what i wanted is to POST ALL THE DOCTRINES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH THE DATE IT BEGAN AND THE AUTHOR/S OR THE CREATOR OF IT, then let us judge IF it is so...^_^ Goodluck!
An update!
Sir Cenon, after i have asked him about my questions, and i still posting comments in his blog why he still not answering (direct to the point) my questions, was nowhere in his blog TUMBUKIN NATIN. And he didnt show and post articles after i asked him questions...
He and his co-members said that Sir Cenon was "BUSY" in his other blog called "BALIK ISLAM". In order to escape to me, from my unanswered and intriguing question, the question now is:
WHERE ARE YOU SIR CENON????
"IS THE iglesia ni cristo IDENTICAL, THE SAME WITH THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH REGARDING THE BELIEFS? show me the dates and authors of these doctrines
ReplyDelete2nd question in connection to the first question.
ReplyDeletesince most people know that felix manalo founded the iglesia ni cristo church,
why is it late for 1,914 years before giving the good message of the bible?
and last question . of all churches the succession of ministewrs or pastors or priest comes after laying of hands. who laid hands on felix manalo as he is the head minister of iglesia ni cristo???