If one's become aggressive

Try to read the comments of a Catholic faith Defender in the username Catholic Defender. Where he said LIES including this:

Catholic Defender said...

BAka naman sabihin ni Ginoong Obligacion aka Truthcaster aka Readme aka Abuloc aka Aerial Cavalry aka xoxo na nagsisingaling ako: Heto ang mga patunay na mahilig MAGPANGGAP nga itong si GINOONG OBLIGACION.

1. TRUTHCASTER aka CONRAD J. OBLIGACION
2. README aka CONRAD J. OBLIGACION (he has separate blog called readme.blogspot.com)
3. RESBAK aka CONRAD J. OBLIGACION (owner of www.resbak.com)
4. CATHOLICIVATAN aka CONRAD J. OBLIGACION (which this blog he stole from me)
5. GEOFF aka CONRAD J. OBLIGACION

So ano pa man ang PAGPAPANGGAP niya, siya pa rin si CONRAD J. OBLIGACION...

Purihin ang Dios!
Purihin si Cristo!

In a very AGGRESSIVE ACT, without making an extensive research he said that I (Readme) and Sir Conrad, the author of one of the famous blog RESBAK.COM are totally ONE! I can now further say that most of the Catholic apologists in the country were not CREDIBLE! THEY WERE INVENTOR of their own-make LIE! As he and others want to debunk me, as i defend our church, Iglesia Ni Cristo, and as i (i can say slight becoming famous^_^) on my way, they MALICIOUSLY create LIES to show that i am a great lier. Very vey poor! Catholic Defender RELY on a comment (i think an ADD member) that say:

Jake Astudillo Says:
January 29th, 2010 at 12:41 am

That Wikipedia thing is a product of the editing of the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) members who live there.

Conrad J. Obligacion who stole the TruthCaster monicker and who calls himself “ReadMe” and Resbak attempted to re-write the whole of the bio of Bro. Eliseo Soriano in Wikipedia and made it entirely negative.

Obviously, they are being protected by Moriori of Wikipedia.

The real TruthCaster is Preacher Soriano. He has a program in this name in which for years he tried to propagate the words of God. Obligacion has nothing to do with truth but falsehood.

After stealing his name, Obligacion attempts to re-package the evangelist as an evil person, heavily associating the word, RAPE, to Soriano.

If i am really Sir Conrad, i will say it very early and i will also put to my "about me" section that i am him! But because i am not him, im so sorry for you are having a GREAT BIG MISTAKE! How could i be him if we have many differences? Just read my posts, see my grammars and you can see that i am not so fluent in english as he is. And i do not have so many knowldge in defending church teaching's for i am just a beginner, that no one helps me in this matter but only, i, myself who does all the researching.

I also created a conclusion of his act.hehehe^_^ He mistaken me that i am Sir CONRAD because i think on his head he sees similarities between us. WHY??? WHY???

VERY SIMPLE. What does Catholics central belief?
Jesus is God.

They say Jesus is God, as they found similarities between them. They say jesus said to be the alpha and the omega, and also god said to be the said things. Jesus said "I am" and also God, And many more. Not thinking the reason why Jesus being the Alpha and the Omega and also God. Not thinking how Jesus being "I am" and also God. That's why he mistaken me for that, for creating a lie that his intention is to have score with me and Sir Conrad.

Hmmm... MORAL LESSON?
DONT BE BLINDED BY YOUR OWN THOUGHTS AND FALSE BELIEFS! Tsk. Tsk.

Next time, make a research first so that you will not be ashamed on yourself! POOR!

How to ignore a question?

"How to Ignore a question"...

Is the best title for our article, representing our instructor:
Cenon Bibe Jr. the author of one of the most commented blog (ass they make it like a forum, hehe) entitled TUMBUKIN NATIN, Hope you will get knowledge about this. So, lets start!

But wait, let us introduce him... As what "Fr. Abe", the author of the blog Splendor of the church say...

"Bro. Cenon for many years was a columnist of the national newspaper TUMBOK. That is why the title of his Apologetic column is TUMBUKIN NATIN."

I try to ask 3 questions from him, because i want to know his/their side about that. And this were the questions:

#1 Prove that the Catholic Church has its history as it claimed, traced back in the 1st century.
#2 Prove that the Catholic Church is the Church established by Christ in the 1st century.
#3 Prove that the beliefs/doctrines in the Catholic Church were also the beliefs of the 1st century Christians...

Try to read his replies to me, for you will not say that i am bias.

#1 post of Cenon Bibe.
#2 post of Cenon Bibe.

FYI: My true question that i want to ask here to Sir Cenon Bibe Jr. is the #3, I just think to have another intro questions before the central topic. That is really my intention because i have a post here entitled "Still the original Church?" that can be a proof to support my question in no.3.

Then, he answers me by showing the most common verses used by the Catholic Defenders and other to prove that the Catholic Church is the church established by Christ, that the church cannot be and does not apostatized.

In his second post, he answers my follow up comment because i demand that my 3rd and true question was not answered. Then he said:

"WALA pong NAITUTOL ang KAANIB ng INC na si README sa artikulo natin na ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA ay NAGMULA pa NOONG UNANG SIGLO."

He claims the victory, as what he believe i doesnt have anything else to add or to say about his answers in his #1 post.

FYI: I go there to his blog to ask questions, not to debate or argue with him regarding our beliefs, because i know it will just point out to NONSENSE discussion like what's Catholic Defender, author of the blog In defense of the Church and SIMPLY CATHOLIC (username)does, the throwing of accusations!. And it does happen, what ive expected! Lets Continue... He even share his OPINION in his post, he said:

"NAKAKATUWA lang po na yung sinasabi ninyong "IDINAGDAG" NINYO ay yung NAUNA PANG MGA TANONG.

Hindi po ba ang IDINADAGDAG ay YUNG NAHUHULI. Kumbaga ay PAHABOL.

Sa INYO po pala ay BALIKTAD. Ang DAGDAG ay yung UNANG SINASABI at HINDI YUNG NAHUHULI."

"Mas marunong pa sya sa nagtatanong!"... One of the expressions of the Filipino that best SUIT to what he said, RIGHT? I also noticed that he makes simple things a VERY BIG DEAL! like this one.^_^

He also said that being the church established by Christ (Catholic church) is not a claim rather, it is a fact. Hmmm... When he is answering, he always want to make sure that he will get + points to the one who asks especially in diff. belief, that's one ive noticed.

He is a Catholic, that's why and im not surprised that he will say that because he wants to point out that the Catholic Church is the true Church Of Christ! mmmm... Then he said many of his feelings that the apostasy did not happen. He accuse me of not accepting the truth that the doctrines here in the INC were false and that in the CC are the true one.

He accuse me of having profit inside the church because of how i defend the INC on its teachings and accusations... Poor apologist, i knew his blog is meant to answer all who want to ask but i have noticed is that he just gives his own opinions and feelings whenever he answers and also he gives many ACCUSATIONS not knowing the TRUTH inside the INC.

That's how Catholic apologists/ Catholic Faith Defenders in common... In throwing ACCUSATIONS to the INC, but none of they say is TRUTH. Why? Because they are blinded by their beliefs, and thoughts. That's what you call the people blind LEADING THE BLIND.

Lets Proceed to his post...

After of his accusations, he then show bible verses to answer my #3 question like the Most common verse John 1:1 to prove that Christ is God and that what the Catholic's beliefs are the beliefs of the 1st century christians. But i said to him that i am not count it as a proof because the understanding of that verse will vary depends of the beliefs on an individual. Inshort, because he is a Catholic, he will say that the Word is God therefore Jesus is God. But what i want to happen, that i am challenging him for the answer of my question #3 is that he post ALL the doctrines of the Catholic Church with the Date it began and the author/s or the ones who created those doctrines...

But until now, he didnt post for he is scared to be defeated! He is scared for his fellow Catholics will know that MOST OF THE DOCTRINES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH were no proof to have its ORIGIN IN THE !ST CENTURY. Meaning, the beliefs in the Catholic Church were not the beliefs of the 1st century christians!!! That's ALL! period!

And now, he just posts comments in his last post to answer me, containing numerous accusations against the INC and me. And most of his comments were out of the topic, meaning HE IS IGNORING MY 3rd QUESTION because he cannot do my challenge to him! Just read his comments to me and also the comments of his co-members to me... All of their comments is to debunk the INC and me, to have POINTS with me, to say that they are in truth and that i am in the dark... They all put back to me what i say to them, to show that i am a lier and that i am a looser.

Poor creatures, their tactics are old as them. Tsk. Tsk. He says many many lies just to change and open my mind, but they cannot let me out in the TRUE CHURCH, as i hold my faith strong and believe in God. I hope someday they will be enlighten in the true teachings of God, not by the MAN MADE TEACHINGS.

His answers made me think that he is not a credible apologist, but an INVENTOR of many lies!^_^ I hope Cenon Bibe Jr. change, he should say more on FACTS not his opinions and accusations. If he wanted others to trust him, he should say in TRUTH. How could other believe you if in a simple FACTs you cannot give? Like IGNORING MY 3RD QUESTION? WHY? TO COVER THE TRUTH IN THEIR BELOVED CATHOLIC CHURCH.

ahuhh... So now, my #3 question for me is the most challenging question to all of our Catholic Defenders, Especially Catholicdefender2000, the author of the In Defense of the Church who tried to "Answer" my post entitled "Still the original Church?". Ohh come on. Now i know Catholic defenders are now researching how to answer this kind of question...

"IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IDENTICAL, THE SAME WITH THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH REGARDING THE BELIEFS?"

Hmmmm... Go now and make a research how you will answer this! But what i wanted is to POST ALL THE DOCTRINES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH THE DATE IT BEGAN AND THE AUTHOR/S OR THE CREATOR OF IT, then let us judge IF it is so...^_^ Goodluck!



An update!

Sir Cenon, after i have asked him about my questions, and i still posting comments in his blog why he still not answering (direct to the point) my questions, was nowhere in his blog TUMBUKIN NATIN. And he didnt show and post articles after i asked him questions...

He and his co-members said that Sir Cenon was "BUSY" in his other blog called "BALIK ISLAM". In order to escape to me, from my unanswered and intriguing question, the question now is:

WHERE ARE YOU SIR CENON????

Make up images?

"And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover." Exodus 25:18-20





"Then the Lord told him, “Make a replica of a
poisonous snake and attach it to a pole..." Numbers 21:8

These two verses were the evidence of others to prove that GOD COMMANDS HIS PEOPLE TO MADE SUCH IMAGES. And that it is okay to make such images/idols/statues because the cherubim and serpents were an example of the "likeness of anything that is in Heaven above or in the earth beneath, or of those things that are in the waters under the earth".


Let us examine.

First of all, The two were commanded by God to be MADE, not to be WORSHIP!

As on a Catholic book say:

“13. Is the worship of the saints confined to their persons?—No; it extends also their relics and images… 15. Ought we to worship holy images?-- We should have, particularly in our churches, images of our lord, as also of the blessed Virgin and the saints, and we should pay them due honor and veneration.” Catechism of Christian doctrine, no. 3, p. 87

The images of the cherubims served as decoration of the Ark of the Covenant and the Brazen Serpent served as sign for the Israelites who looked at it, after they were bitten by poisonous serpents and lived.

BUT, WHEN THE ISRAELITES BEGAN TO WORSHIP THE BRAZEN SERPENT AS AN IDOL, King Ezechias destroyed it!

Let us read II Kings 18:4,

"He removed the pagan shrines, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke up the bronze serpent that Moses had made, because the people of Israel had been offering sacrifices to it. The bronze serpent was called Nehushtan."

Therefore, the use of images of the Catholics is not biblically justified. All the reasons given by them of the use of it, that they say they do not worship those (images, statues and whatsoever) but still show that they are guilty of Idolatry, are devoid of truth. It is clear then, that the reason behind the denial of the CC regarding image-worship is to avoid any scrunity in the truth of the teaching about images, thus arresting exposure of its falsity.

However, by admitting that the Catholic Church does worship images, alleging that it is not binding upon Christians, she is consoling her members and telling them to remain in upholding what they practice, thus, intending to decieve Catholics for the alleged good.

For this reason, what does God command those who worship images, especially the Catholics?

"The temple of God cannot have any agreement with idols, and we are the temple of the living God. As God said: I will live with them and walk with them. And I will be their God, and they will be my people. Leave those people, and be separate, says the Lord. Touch nothing that is unclean, and I will accept you. I will be your father, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty." II Cor. 6:16-18

God commands them to separate from those images and come out of the church or religion to which they belong. If they do so, God promises to be a father to them and they shall be his children. Let us face the truth, and let us find the true Church built by Christ! Let us worship God in spirit and in truth, not in GRAVEN IMAGES!

Converts: an ex-Catholic priest

I was ordained as a CATHOLIC priest
by Teodoro Dizon

I am TEODORO G. DIZON from the Locale of Miami, Florida. I was born in Camiling Tarlac, Philippines, to a family of practising Catholics. At the age of 11, I became an altar boy, assisting priests on many Catholic activites like fiestas, masses and other religious celebrations. I observed the works and sacrifices of the priests in serving the people. Drawn to this kind of service of being close to people, I made up my mind to become a priest and, at the age of 14, entered the seminary in Pangasinan, Philippines.

It was in my fifth year in high school (equivalent to first year in college at that time) when I heard about Brother Felix Y. Manalo and the Igesia Ni Cristo(Church of Christ). The priest mockingly said that, upon the demise of Brother Manalo, the Iglesia ni Cristo would vanish. I had the impression then that the members of this Church were unified only because of the dictates of Brother Manalo, which is why people, including me, referred to them as members of the "Iglesia ni Manalo" (Church of Manalo).

I was ordained as a Catholic priest on April 1, 1962. My first assignment as a new priest was in Concepcion, Tarlac. It was there where I received a call from a minister of the Iglesia ni Cristo, inviting me to a Bible study and discussion. I tried to ask permission from my superiors but was told not to go. Now I realize that, even then, I was being called to the true Church, for although I was not able to respond to that invitation, I was really interested to learn more about this Church.

In 1967, while I was assigned in Luisita, Tarlac, I was chosen to be sent to study in Rome. I was there for two years, studying Pastoral Theology and completing the degree of Licentiate in Sacred Theology. From Rome, I went to the United States in 1970 and became assistant parish priest in one of the parishes in the diocese of Broolyn, New York. In 1976, I applied to be a U.S. Navy Chaplain.


I had a second encounter with the Iglesia ni Cristo in 1978 when I was assigned to the naval training center in Orlando, Florida as a chaplain in the navy housing compound. There I met and became close friends with Brother Romeo Manalaysay, then head deacon of the Orlando congregation, and his wife Ligaya. I even let them use the navy chapel for their worship services when their congregation did not yet have permanent place. At that time, Brother Lorenzo de Vera, the minister from Jacksonville, Florida, was one of the ministers being sent to officiate the worship services. Since I was responsible for opening and closing the chapel, I attended the worship services. During those times, I felt the call of God working in me and my belief in Christ as God was changing. Nevertheless, I argued and debated with Brother de Vera and another minister, Brother Dominador Santos, on certain religious issues. As my knowledge of the true teachings of God increased, I continued attending the worship services faithfully. I even had a chance to meet the late Brother Cipriano Sandoval during one of the special occasions of the Church.

I was subsequently assigned to Guam, where I continued attending the worship services of the Iglesia ni Cristo when, at the same time, leading and saying mass as a navy chaplain. From Guam, I was assigned to Barstow, California, where I met Brother Reynaldo Valdez, the minister assigned in Riverside locale at that time. After officiating the worship services in Las Vegas, Brother Valdez passed by my place to conduct a Bible study. By this time I had aready decided to leave the priesthood and study the doctrines being taught in the Church. Around this time, I also met Brother Paul Membrere, then district minister of California, who advised me to continue my Bible lessons. When I moved to Miami, I continued my biblical studies under Brother Danilo Besa, a volunteer worker.

On February 3, 1986, I was baptized in the Locale of Jacksonville, Florida by Brother Venros Santiago. This was the happiest day of my life on this earth. All the doubts in my mind, especially about Jesus Christ as a man, were cleared. I was also impressed by the unity and brotherhood among the members of the Church and the ordeliness that is being observed during the worship services.

My conversion to the true Church was the happiest moment in my life. It freed me from the shackles of Catholic Church and her hypocrisy and false teachings which are contrary to the words of God written in the Holy Bible. I am presently a deacon and committe auditor in the Locale of Miami. I advise those who are not members of the Church, including the Catholic priests, to carefuly read the Bible especially the verses pertaining to Jesus Christ that He is not God but man. And to all the members, be more active and dedicated to our membership. Let us be firm and steadfast in our faith because this will help the new members become more stronger in the Church.


FOOTNOTE:

During my Philosophy and Theology years in the seminary, our professor in Religion named Bernard etrais remarked that, someday, the Philippines will send missionaries to the distant lands. I thought then that it would be the Cathoic Church who would do that, but now I realize with firm faith and conviction that it is the Iglesia ni Crist that is sending ministers all over the world.

I would like to thank the following ministers: Brothers Angel Casanova Sr., Felix im, Al Casanova, Angel Casanova Jr., Leopoldo Ricardo, and Manuel Andaya, the present district minister of the Southeastern Seaboard, and all the other ministers and brethren who helped me become a strong member of the Church. I would also like to extend my sincerest gratitude and love to my dear wife Agnes and to my daughter Kimberly, who both hold offices in our Locale of Miami, and to my in-laws, Brother Amado and Sister Aurora Tanedo, Sisters Arlene and Mel Tanedo for their acceptance and support. But most especially, I thank the Almighty God for giving me the light and calling me to serve in the true Church, assuring me that if I succeed, I would certainly receive the promised salvation come Judgment Day.


Source: Pasugo:God's Message Magazine, International Edition, October-December 1999

Mother of "harlots"

"Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me,“Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,"
Revelation 17:1

The Church established by the devil, is described to be the "MOTHER OF HARLOTS" (in Jesus parable)... Let us continue to Rev. 17:15

"Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

The "many waters" upon which the woman is seated, stand for people, multitudes and nations. Therefore, the woman is universal in extent. Is there a church which claim itself to be UNIVERSAL? Hmmmm... We all know what church is that!

"The Roman Catholic Church alone is Catholic. The meaning of the word Catholic is universal" (Siya ang inyong pakinggan Ang aral katoliko p.83)

On the score of universality, it is claimed that it is one distinguishing mark of the true church. But what does the bible say about the extent of SATAN's deception? Let us read:

"And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world;..." Rev. 12:9

What does the bible say about satan? The devil is the deceiver of the world. The Catholic Church, as the Revelation points out, is the woman seated upon many waters, or universal. Therefore, again, what church utilized by Satan in his deception? mmmm.... ^_^

Does not the bible give the name of the woman or the universal church that has been deceived by Satan? Rev. 17:5 says:

"and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

The universal church, or the woman seated upon many waters, has a name: Babylon is the name. It is a bad woman or a bad church, for the bible introduces it as a harlot. It is said to be the mother of harlots, so from it would rise different churches, bearing the same stigma that it has; they too, are bad churches, classified in the parable as WEEDS.


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I repeat, Babylon is the name of the woman or the church. The catholic bible gives in the footnote of I Peter 5:13 the equivalent of Babylon. It says, “Babylon: Rome” And the book

“The Papal Encyclicals” says:

“There are no doubt that Babylon means Rome.”

Is there a church, universal or catholic, that bears the name of Rome? Again, let us quote the book “Siya ang inyong Pakinggan: Ang aral na Katoliko” says:

“The Roman Church alone is truly Catholic. The meaning of the word Catholic is universal,”.

Do we have proofs to show that the Catholic Church is the “MOTHER OF HARLOTS” or the church from which sprang the many and proliferating sects and religious organizations? Hmmm… We all know that, just research the history of churches that have the connection with the Catholic Church! I give one example. In the book “Religion in the United States” says:

“ The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States is one of the eighteen independent religious bodies that grew out of the Church of England…” The principal characteristics of the protestant Episcopal church have thus been derived from the Church of England, which in 1534, after a long process of separation, became INDEPENDENT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH…”

And many other churches that branched out in the “mother church”, but describes by the bible as “Mother of Harlots”!

See researches of other faith about this topic, about the “MOTHER OF HARLOTS”

The identity of Mystery Babylon

Who is the Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots?

Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots

Who is the woman who rides the Beast in rev. 17?

And many other! Just search on your fav. search engines.

NOTE: Again, i do not BELIEVE what is the faith or the BELIEFS as whole of the religion behind those sites/blogs! I just post it here, their researches about the said "MOTHER OF HARLOTS". Answering what church is said to be that..

Acts 4:10, 12 let us read:

“then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

SALVATION IS ONLY IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. His name borne by his Church, so it is called Church of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo in tagalong. There is no salvation in all the churches with diff. names, especially from the “mother of most churches” which claim to be the true church built by Christ by saying it is have its history root back in the 1^st century, but the teachings? Ah, ah ah!!! Cannot be determine if it also have it!